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I find it hard to believe RHEL will get away with this. I hope the Linux Foundation weighs in, but it seems to have been bought by IBM, Microsoft, Oracle and m

by jmclnx 3y ago

I find it hard to believe RHEL will get away with this. I hope the Linux Foundation weighs in, but it seems to have been bought by IBM, Microsoft, Oracle and many other large corps. All the drama in Linux with Wayland, RHEL sponsored init, snap/flatpak and now IBM/RHEL has been causing me to seriously evaluate the BSDs. I have been doing that for a couple of years. I would be fully on OpenBSD now, but the hardware I have is one of those with 2 videos, integrated and Nvidia. And that system does NOT allow me to disable the Nvidia Chip. When using Nvidia, that chip is correctly ignored by OpenBSD, but it gets so hot I can almost fry an egg on it. I have some mitigations in place, but it still gets rather hot, CPU and disk stays normal. The same is true with NetBSD, I have not tried FreeBSD yet. This RHEL thing may be the last straw, I may bite the bullet and see if the heat causes failures and if so evaluate this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36292831 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36292831 FWIW, I did add paste, a full cleaning. And this was purchased used rather cheaply 2 years ago. It is 9 years old now. Why am I bothered by this ? This seems to be a weak first step of companies making Linux go proprietary. Already we need many proprietary blobs. And funny, NASA just signed a contract with Rocky and CERN went with AlmaLinux, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36417968 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36417968

Sunspark 3y ago
The BSD with the most support for Nvidia is the one you never tried. Arguably it's the only BSD that is best suited for a desktop user. Also has better wifi support as well. We all want to love BSD, and it does get love in proprietary spaces like Netflix, Playstation and Apple, but those companies have the resources to actually create the pieces they need and do not have an obligation to share it. (E.g. MacOS is literally a certified UNIX, but the GUI layers are private.) For non-corporate users, in some ways it is like what Debian faced when they realized they really did need to start including wifi firmware into the install media, because people were like, why doesn't this connect to the router? What's wrong with this? This is actually something that I've run into personally. At the end of the day though, BSD isn't realistic as a desktop. OpenBSD disables stuff for security reasons which harms performance, so it wouldn't be first choice as a desktop. NetBSD is what Open forked off of many years ago and I recall NetBSD as one of those "let's try to make it install on anything" show and tell pieces, but not something you'd really be using for anything. FreeBSD was the only one that was reasonably usable. Dragonfly is another fork (this time off FreeBSD). All of them have to port the Linux video drivers, Linux desktops, etc. It's actually somewhat unusual that Linux is the one that won the battle for resources, because corporations hate sharing and being open.
jzb 3y ago
"I find it hard to believe RHEL will get away with this. I hope the Linux Foundation weighs in" I'm curious what role you think the LF plays here, or what they'd do to prevent Red Hat from "getting away" with doing something that is entirely within Red Hat's rights to do. The Linux Foundation is a trade organization. It was created from the merger of the Open Source Development Labs (OSDL) and Free Standards Group. The OSDL was funded by several large corporations - including IBM, Intel, HP, Fujitsu and others. LF wasn't "bought" by IBM and others. It was literally created by them. Granted, Microsoft is a newcomer (relatively speaking). But the LF is and always has been a trade organization that supports the interest of companies that want to do business with open source.
rodgerd 3y ago
> I hope the Linux Foundation weighs in The LF who fought attempts to hold VMware accountable for alleged GPL breaches?
jacooper 3y ago
What drama with Wayland or flatpak? Its what the community has decided, every distro except Ubuntu has adopted flatpak. And Wayland is the default for both KDE and Gnome.
- jmclnx 3y ago
  This thread is mainly about RHEL changes :) But the short version is Wayland does do everything I need, plus it is Linux specific.
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Sunspark 3y ago

The BSD with the most support for Nvidia is the one you never tried. Arguably it's the only BSD that is best suited for a desktop user. Also has better wifi support as well. We all want to love BSD, and it does get love in proprietary spaces like Netflix, Playstation and Apple, but those companies have the resources to actually create the pieces they need and do not have an obligation to share it. (E.g. MacOS is literally a certified UNIX, but the GUI layers are private.) For non-corporate users, in some ways it is like what Debian faced when they realized they really did need to start including wifi firmware into the install media, because people were like, why doesn't this connect to the router? What's wrong with this? This is actually something that I've run into personally. At the end of the day though, BSD isn't realistic as a desktop. OpenBSD disables stuff for security reasons which harms performance, so it wouldn't be first choice as a desktop. NetBSD is what Open forked off of many years ago and I recall NetBSD as one of those "let's try to make it install on anything" show and tell pieces, but not something you'd really be using for anything. FreeBSD was the only one that was reasonably usable. Dragonfly is another fork (this time off FreeBSD). All of them have to port the Linux video drivers, Linux desktops, etc. It's actually somewhat unusual that Linux is the one that won the battle for resources, because corporations hate sharing and being open.

jzb 3y ago

"I find it hard to believe RHEL will get away with this. I hope the Linux Foundation weighs in" I'm curious what role you think the LF plays here, or what they'd do to prevent Red Hat from "getting away" with doing something that is entirely within Red Hat's rights to do. The Linux Foundation is a trade organization. It was created from the merger of the Open Source Development Labs (OSDL) and Free Standards Group. The OSDL was funded by several large corporations - including IBM, Intel, HP, Fujitsu and others. LF wasn't "bought" by IBM and others. It was literally created by them. Granted, Microsoft is a newcomer (relatively speaking). But the LF is and always has been a trade organization that supports the interest of companies that want to do business with open source.

rodgerd 3y ago

> I hope the Linux Foundation weighs in The LF who fought attempts to hold VMware accountable for alleged GPL breaches?

jacooper 3y ago

What drama with Wayland or flatpak? Its what the community has decided, every distro except Ubuntu has adopted flatpak. And Wayland is the default for both KDE and Gnome.

jmclnx 3y ago
This thread is mainly about RHEL changes :) But the short version is Wayland does do everything I need, plus it is Linux specific.

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