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They shouldn't need to understand it. I don't understand the first thing about how my phone works or mobile development in general. It just works and does what

They shouldn't need to understand it. I don't understand the first thing about how my phone works or mobile development in general. It just works and does what I need it to do.

Arnavion 3y ago
Yes they do need to understand it. If you believe you don't need or want to understand it, then Linux phones are not for you. It's okay. Really. Not everything has to be for everyone, and evidently Linux phones are not for you. Please don't buy them. Thanks.
- OldManRyan 3y ago
  You don't need to understand it according to Librem. They are marketing a "user-friendly"(their words) replacement for iPhone and Android. If this was a product sold for the most hardcore Linux users who dream about bash scripts then yeah this isn't a product for me and that's fine. But, that isn't what they are trying to sell and that is the problem.
  - Arnavion 3y ago
    "replacement for iPhone and Android" are your words, not theirs. And as for the PP the manufacturer has always been very explicit about it: https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-edition-with-convergence-package/ https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-edition-with-conve... >Beta Edition PinePhones are aimed solely at early adopters. More specifically, only intend for these units to find their way into the hands of users with extensive Linux experience.
    - OldManRyan 3y ago
      I have a Braveheart edition Pinephone for experiments. I know that Pine64 devices are very bluntly a work in progress. I'm more specifically talking about Librem in this case.
      - Arnavion 3y ago
        The first sentence in my comment is about the Librem 5.
- superchroma 3y ago
  typical user-hostile linux user opinion. If you're wondering why the year of the linux desktop hasn't happened yet, this is why.
  - Arnavion 3y ago
    The only people who wonder about the year of the Linux desktop are the people who don't use Linux :) We Linux users are happily using it already and don't really care what other people use.
    - skeeter2020 3y ago
      >> We Linux users are happily using it already and don't really care what other people use. And yet here you are hectoring the plebs, putting us in our place. It sure seems like you care, because if you didn't you would have kept quiet and got on with the good life.
    - crote 3y ago
      As someone who has been running Linux as sole OS for over a decade now, I wouldn't say I am "happily" using it. It is acceptable and all alternatives are even worse in a lot of ways, but the Linux experience is definitely still lacking quite a bit.
  - 5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
    It's still less user-hostile than ads in your start menu and asking the overlord for the privilege of having rights to use your own computer. That's good enough for me.

They shouldn't need to understand it. I don't understand the first thing about how my phone works or mobile development in general. It just works and does what I need it to do.

Arnavion 3y ago

Yes they do need to understand it. If you believe you don't need or want to understand it, then Linux phones are not for you. It's okay. Really. Not everything has to be for everyone, and evidently Linux phones are not for you. Please don't buy them. Thanks.

OldManRyan 3y ago
You don't need to understand it according to Librem. They are marketing a "user-friendly"(their words) replacement for iPhone and Android. If this was a product sold for the most hardcore Linux users who dream about bash scripts then yeah this isn't a product for me and that's fine. But, that isn't what they are trying to sell and that is the problem.
- Arnavion 3y ago
  "replacement for iPhone and Android" are your words, not theirs. And as for the PP the manufacturer has always been very explicit about it: https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-edition-with-convergence-package/ https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-edition-with-conve... >Beta Edition PinePhones are aimed solely at early adopters. More specifically, only intend for these units to find their way into the hands of users with extensive Linux experience.
  - OldManRyan 3y ago
    I have a Braveheart edition Pinephone for experiments. I know that Pine64 devices are very bluntly a work in progress. I'm more specifically talking about Librem in this case.
    - Arnavion 3y ago
      The first sentence in my comment is about the Librem 5.
superchroma 3y ago
typical user-hostile linux user opinion. If you're wondering why the year of the linux desktop hasn't happened yet, this is why.
- Arnavion 3y ago
  The only people who wonder about the year of the Linux desktop are the people who don't use Linux :) We Linux users are happily using it already and don't really care what other people use.
  - skeeter2020 3y ago
    >> We Linux users are happily using it already and don't really care what other people use. And yet here you are hectoring the plebs, putting us in our place. It sure seems like you care, because if you didn't you would have kept quiet and got on with the good life.
  - crote 3y ago
    As someone who has been running Linux as sole OS for over a decade now, I wouldn't say I am "happily" using it. It is acceptable and all alternatives are even worse in a lot of ways, but the Linux experience is definitely still lacking quite a bit.
- 5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
  It's still less user-hostile than ads in your start menu and asking the overlord for the privilege of having rights to use your own computer. That's good enough for me.