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Regardless of ancestry, an American permanent resident is an American. Same with any country. It makes no difference whether China is only targeting people who

by mint2 3y ago

Regardless of ancestry, an American permanent resident is an American. Same with any country. It makes no difference whether China is only targeting people whose ancestry traces to Sweden or Xiamen. If they aren’t a resident of China it’s not their business, even if they still have relatives back there. Why does it matter? Why is that point relevant or being made?

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
American permanent residents (greencard holders) aren't American. They need citizenship first, otherwise they just have the right to live in America but not protection being a citizen would provide.
- ethanbond 3y ago
  Eh, depends on what protections you’re referring to. Merely being on US soil (regardless of citizenship) guarantees pretty much all legal protections enjoyed by American citizens. It certainly protects you from harassment by the CCP.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    Ya, but a US greencard holder will still have their Chinese citizenship (if Chinese), so abroad they would get support from a Chinese consular rather than a US one, meaning it is much easier for them to get kidnapped from Thailand.
    - ethanbond 3y ago
      Ah yes, definitely in the case of protections abroad. Forgot which example was being discussed earlier in the thread!
AHOHA 3y ago
>Why does it matter? Why is that point relevant or being made? It does matter, because as far as I tell, there’s been zero case the gov was after a person from non-Chinese roots. I’ve also seen similar cases in other countries like some south asians/arab countries, they are only after their own/previous citizens no matter what’s their nationality. Now you may ask why?! It’s simple, those are the most influential to the local public against the current regime than say a white guy lecturing Chinese people about freedom, he/she will never have the same impact than a local one who’s outside and away from any coercive or persuasive or any consequences.
- mint2 3y ago
  So in essence you’re saying it’s actually worse that they’re targeting those with ancestral ties than not? My objection is that the way it’s been phrased in this thread it’s almost giving the impression that “it’s not an American issue” that it’s China going after its own so “normal” Americans don’t need to care. That outlook is dangerous and false. They are us, they are Americans. I’m sure China would love to propagate otherwise.
- FreshStart 3y ago
  So the government is basically racist and going after random dissidents by ethnicity and that should comfort me somehow for now? First they came for..

by mint2 3y ago

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

American permanent residents (greencard holders) aren't American. They need citizenship first, otherwise they just have the right to live in America but not protection being a citizen would provide.

ethanbond 3y ago
Eh, depends on what protections you’re referring to. Merely being on US soil (regardless of citizenship) guarantees pretty much all legal protections enjoyed by American citizens. It certainly protects you from harassment by the CCP.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  Ya, but a US greencard holder will still have their Chinese citizenship (if Chinese), so abroad they would get support from a Chinese consular rather than a US one, meaning it is much easier for them to get kidnapped from Thailand.
  - ethanbond 3y ago
    Ah yes, definitely in the case of protections abroad. Forgot which example was being discussed earlier in the thread!

AHOHA 3y ago

>Why does it matter? Why is that point relevant or being made? It does matter, because as far as I tell, there’s been zero case the gov was after a person from non-Chinese roots. I’ve also seen similar cases in other countries like some south asians/arab countries, they are only after their own/previous citizens no matter what’s their nationality. Now you may ask why?! It’s simple, those are the most influential to the local public against the current regime than say a white guy lecturing Chinese people about freedom, he/she will never have the same impact than a local one who’s outside and away from any coercive or persuasive or any consequences.

mint2 3y ago
So in essence you’re saying it’s actually worse that they’re targeting those with ancestral ties than not? My objection is that the way it’s been phrased in this thread it’s almost giving the impression that “it’s not an American issue” that it’s China going after its own so “normal” Americans don’t need to care. That outlook is dangerous and false. They are us, they are Americans. I’m sure China would love to propagate otherwise.
FreshStart 3y ago
So the government is basically racist and going after random dissidents by ethnicity and that should comfort me somehow for now? First they came for..