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This is the answer to folks in the US saying: "I am not worried about a foreign govt. having my data"

by cscurmudgeon 3y ago

toast0 3y ago
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- Brian_K_White 3y ago
  1: you are incorrect about being safe 2: even if you were safe, "it doesn't affect me so, why should I care?" is common but still disgusting none of us are saints but come on
  - toast0 3y ago
    The point is, I'd rather a foreign government snooping than my own. For a lot of these things, it's not like you get to have the nobody snooping choice, so pick the least worst option.
- mikrotikker 3y ago
  Right on cue. I would direct you to a 60 Minute Australia piece called "China’s illegal police stations in 53 countries around the world" to see how this could affect you, as it has affected australians. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L9ubuwBDkI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L9ubuwBDkI
- ShroudedNight 3y ago
  That stops working if they believe you're a convenient link to a person of interest. There's no evidence Xu Jin's sister-in-law had significant ties to the PRC outside of a family member's marriage.
- lawn 3y ago
  Until you find a girlfriend from China, or a close friend, or a co-worker or even just an acquaintance that they just happen to tie to you. Now they have their reason.
- cscurmudgeon 3y ago
  1. Employee (E) in a major org (M) with national security implications 2. E has non-zero private info (Z) (e.g., closeted LGBT folks) 3. Foreign govt X obtains Z and uses that to force E to get access to M.
AHOHA 3y ago
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- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  They've been known to go after a Swedish citizen in Thailand. The Chinese government revoked his Swedish citizenship after the fact to justify the kidnapping.
  - AHOHA 3y ago
    But was he/she from a Chinese roots/family? Got any article about it? It’s because I don’t think I ever came across a case the Chinese gov were hostile against a non-Chinese person, obviously I could be wrong but nothing from my poor memory I could pull.
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      Yes, he renounced his Chinese citizenship and became a Swedish citizen, but China revoked the change when they grabbed him from Thailand (they also got him to agree to it, but coercion was likely involved in that).
      - AHOHA 3y ago
        Thank you.
    - mint2 3y ago
      Regardless of ancestry, an American permanent resident is an American. Same with any country. It makes no difference whether China is only targeting people whose ancestry traces to Sweden or Xiamen. If they aren’t a resident of China it’s not their business, even if they still have relatives back there. Why does it matter? Why is that point relevant or being made?
      - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        American permanent residents (greencard holders) aren't American. They need citizenship first, otherwise they just have the right to live in America but not protection being a citizen would provide.

This is the answer to folks in the US saying: "I am not worried about a foreign govt. having my data"

toast0 3y ago

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Brian_K_White 3y ago
1: you are incorrect about being safe 2: even if you were safe, "it doesn't affect me so, why should I care?" is common but still disgusting none of us are saints but come on
- toast0 3y ago
  The point is, I'd rather a foreign government snooping than my own. For a lot of these things, it's not like you get to have the nobody snooping choice, so pick the least worst option.
mikrotikker 3y ago
Right on cue. I would direct you to a 60 Minute Australia piece called "China’s illegal police stations in 53 countries around the world" to see how this could affect you, as it has affected australians. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L9ubuwBDkI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L9ubuwBDkI
ShroudedNight 3y ago
That stops working if they believe you're a convenient link to a person of interest. There's no evidence Xu Jin's sister-in-law had significant ties to the PRC outside of a family member's marriage.
lawn 3y ago
Until you find a girlfriend from China, or a close friend, or a co-worker or even just an acquaintance that they just happen to tie to you. Now they have their reason.
cscurmudgeon 3y ago
1. Employee (E) in a major org (M) with national security implications 2. E has non-zero private info (Z) (e.g., closeted LGBT folks) 3. Foreign govt X obtains Z and uses that to force E to get access to M.

AHOHA 3y ago

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seanmcdirmid 3y ago
They've been known to go after a Swedish citizen in Thailand. The Chinese government revoked his Swedish citizenship after the fact to justify the kidnapping.
- AHOHA 3y ago
  But was he/she from a Chinese roots/family? Got any article about it? It’s because I don’t think I ever came across a case the Chinese gov were hostile against a non-Chinese person, obviously I could be wrong but nothing from my poor memory I could pull.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    Yes, he renounced his Chinese citizenship and became a Swedish citizen, but China revoked the change when they grabbed him from Thailand (they also got him to agree to it, but coercion was likely involved in that).
    - AHOHA 3y ago
      Thank you.
  - mint2 3y ago
    Regardless of ancestry, an American permanent resident is an American. Same with any country. It makes no difference whether China is only targeting people whose ancestry traces to Sweden or Xiamen. If they aren’t a resident of China it’s not their business, even if they still have relatives back there. Why does it matter? Why is that point relevant or being made?
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      American permanent residents (greencard holders) aren't American. They need citizenship first, otherwise they just have the right to live in America but not protection being a citizen would provide.