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ELO Everything
- jaroniscaring 3y agoI got excited about this but then I realized it was about ranking random things instead of self-ranking your own abilities on an ELO scale
- paulddraper 3y ago"The Elo rating system is a method for calculating the relative skill levels of players in zero-sum games such as chess." [1] Each outcome adjusts the winner's and loser's Elo ratings according based on the current difference. For example: - A 1500 elo beats a 1300 elo. The winner gains 5 and the loser loses 5. - A 1300 elo beats a 1500 elo. The winner gains 15 and the lower loses 15. The math is such that a 100 point difference is 2:1 advantage. A 400 difference is 9:1 advantage. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system
- yowzadave 3y agoI wonder if ELO makes sense for something like this that is so inherently unstable/not-normally distributed? I.e., in chess, if you're playing an opponent whose rating is +800, you have less than 1% chance of beating them. But in this case, we have Peppa Pig currently at 1875, vs. the BMW 3 series at 1072. Can we really say with any confidence that Peppa would beat the BMW 99 times out of 100? It seems unlikely that increasing the number of matches will change the instability of this rating.
- paulddraper 3y agoIt makes sense, unless the comparison is non-transitive. I.e. a scissors-paper-rock scenario.
- Tenoke 3y agoYes, it makes sense except that the rating will be provisional and the variance really high until you have a lot of comparisons.
- FrustratedMonky 3y agoGreat Concept, would like to see this applied to many sub-categories.
- drexlspivey 3y agoSomeone should do it just for people, they could call it Facemash or something
- echeese 3y agoElo isn't an acronym/initialism.
- TechBro8615 3y agoWhile we're on the subject, neither is TOR.
- xcdzvyn 3y agoTor is an acronym for "The Onion Router", it just isn't capitalised as such. [0] https://support.torproject.org/about/why-is-it-called-tor/ https://support.torproject.org/about/why-is-it-called-tor/ [1] https://www.britannica.com/technology/Tor-encryption-network https://www.britannica.com/technology/Tor-encryption-network
- bee_rider 3y agoIt is better if you just imagine that we’re ranking things in order of similarity to ELO (electric light orchestra).
- craz8 3y agoTwitter: -100; Mastodon: zero; Bluesky: 5,000 Yup, this could work
- bee_rider 3y agoNow I kinda want to hear a heavy metal remake of Mr Blue Sky.
- splatcollision 3y agoWeezer has you covered.
- nameistaken 3y agoCool story bro.
- xd1936 3y agoReminds me of Tom Scott's similar project[1]. 1. https://youtu.be/ALy6e7GbDRQ https://youtu.be/ALy6e7GbDRQ
- chrischen 3y agoIdea would be great for product recommendations, as long as the spam issue can be solved. Most people can make a reliable comparison between two products but maybe not among many.
- paulddraper 3y ago> as long as the spam issue can be solved At the time of writing, Adolf Hitler is #1 on the leaderboard with Elo 1754.
- lbotos 3y ago6 minutes later -- my leaderboard shows oxygen at the top, and hitler is not in the top 100.
- jmmcd 3y ago5 minutes later, it's Hitler #1 again And democracy - "I love democracy!" - at #15
- GloriousKoji 3y agoSomething must have broke/exploited. Hitler is still #1 with over 2000 matches but Baseball is in #2 with over 100M matches. The next 20 are 1000-2000 matches.
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- nr11_bullseye 3y agoNow he has -700 Elo. Did good faith just win or did the owner of the website intervene?
- pph 3y ago#589 -12579 Vladimir Putin #588 149 Adolf Hitler #587 658 Satan
- lumb63 3y agoNeat, but in the time I spent playing, Hitler surpassed curiosity and bread, to hit number one.
- shp0ngle 3y agoHe also has the highest number of matches, so somebody is clearly messing up with this. Maybe the API is just very simple and somebody is just sending upvotes to Hitler infinitely.
- paulddraper 3y agoNow a good soul just needs to do the opposite.
- jedberg 3y ago> Maybe the API is just very simple and somebody is just sending upvotes to Hitler infinitely Yep, it has no authentication. You can just keep posting to the API with Hitler beating everything.
- Sholmesy 3y agoHitler is currently rank 1, so, that's an interesting application of Godwin's Law
- shp0ngle 3y agohttps://eloeverything.co/leaderboard https://eloeverything.co/leaderboard Yeah I think someone gamed this
- RobotToaster 3y agoI had no idea he was that good at chess.
- Underphil 3y agoHitler #1 of course, because the Internet.
- montroser 3y agoRuiners of all good things incoming... It's cool, but dealing with bad-faith participants is what is really difficult about these types of exercises. It works great until the hurt people find it, and then the hurt people hurt people -- perpetuating their sadness unto others by upvoting the bad things.
- chungy 3y agoIt's a silly web site that means nothing. If you attribute hurt or sadness to the result on it, that's not the fault of anyone else.
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- mjamesaustin 3y agoWent to the Leaderboard and Hitler is currently in 10th place. So yeah, that happened quickly. :/
- jedberg 3y agoIt's moving around a lot, because Hitler was in first place about 90 seconds before you posted this.
- mkagenius 3y agoIts at 2031 elo now, while the closest to it is 1500 elo. Lot of catching up to do but I think there is still good chance to catch it before it becomes much harder.
- alecco 3y agoI could see this as real-life version of The Office episode where they stop working to decide if Hilary Swank is hot or not. Busy Monday, I guess. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Family_Paper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Family_Paper
- smlacy 3y agoReminds me of '00s whatsbetter.com!
- zaps 3y agoOr 90s hotornot.com
- shp0ngle 3y agoWhile the idea is good, the API is gameable, as the POST request is just whoever you vote for vs who are you not, instead of some session ID. Predictably, someone is gaming it and spamming Adolf Hitler.
- tectec 3y agoI think you'd get a lot of cycles in this, so the rating won't be very stable.
- Laremere 3y agoSee also Tom Scott's video "1,204,986 Votes Decided: What Is The Best Thing?" https://youtu.be/ALy6e7GbDRQ https://youtu.be/ALy6e7GbDRQ In it he mentions that he kept the site up for only a short amount of time, in part to prevent anyone from writing a bot which could game it. Unfortunately, that has not been the case with Elo Everything, which has a clearly gamed leader board.
- graypegg 3y agoA gamed leaderboard is kind of interesting in the same way a doping-only olympics would be interesting.
- bee_rider 3y agoI wonder what the bots are doing. I guess the optimal strategy would be to target the leader you want to knock out with losses to the current last-place entry, right? I guess that last place entry would change pretty quick though.
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- blowski 3y agoWhat’s the practical application of this? It makes sense in chess where you have two players using the same rules, so a comparison makes sense. But is Postgres a better database than Redis? Is The Godfather a better film than Lord of the Rings? These questions make no sense. Political candidates can’t get an increased value simply for being less popular. So is the idea that you use this in a very technical space for, say, ranking jobs in a queue? Or is it intended for an e-commerce site to order by product ratings?
- jjfoooo4 3y agoI think it is supposed to be fun
- blowski 3y agoOh so I'm just overthinking it? Sorry. I thought ELO was some trendy new algorithm being used somewhere, and this was a jokey application of it.
- JohnFen 3y agoI suspect I'm overthinking it even more! I couldn't even come up with an answer to the first matchup because I have no idea what I'm supposed to base my ranking on.
- GaggiX 3y agoIt's funny how Hitler is winning by a very large margin.
- airstrike 3y agoHis winrate is probably terrible, though
- GaggiX 3y agoThe winrate is terribly high or he wouldn't be first.
- cheeze 3y agoGiven that it's just "rank higher" - I think you have 2 reasons for this 1. People that think its funny and choose Hitler 2. People who compare Hitler to something like "Ferrari" or "Rome, Italy" and go "yeah he's had more impact (from my perspective)" In that same sense, Hitler is arguably one of the greatest leaders the world has ever seen. He was just a horrible person who did horrible things. I am (obviously) not a fan at all of Hitler, Nazism, etc. but it's had a profound impact on our world, regardless of whether it was horrible impact :( But yeah, it's obvious there is some gaming of the system. Hard to rank Hitler higher than "earth" or "electricity"
- GaggiX 3y agoDefinitely it's for the meme. (Also the history of Rome has definitely been more impactful than Hitler.)
- RektBoy 3y agobecause people are spamming HTTP POST with payload and there is no verification process, just use ID of the Hitler.
- kdmccormick 3y agoUnironically, I want this, but for restaurants/stores/etc, essentially a replacement for Google Maps' helpful but deeply flawed one-to-five-star (but actually 4.0-4.9-star) rating system.
- baobabKoodaa 3y agoYou want restaurants to be rated by random people who have never been to them?
- joeframbach 3y agoWhen you search for something on Yelp and you get 10 results, to places you've never been to before, and despite not visiting any of them beforehand, you choose one. That's what's happening here, and that's what's happening in Google search results. No difference.
- Aachen 3y ago... but that doesn't help informing another person's decision. Someone should track all of everyone's restaurant visits and quiz them in this style and publish the data for everyone's benefit
- kdmccormick 3y agoSorry no lol, not the randomness aspect. What I mean is that Google has a very good guess of which restaurants I've been to, so rather than asking me to rate it 1-5 stars, I want it to ask "Is it better or worse than <Other Restaurant You've Been To>"? and then building ratings based on those results, with the option of me answering " I have not been there". It just seems like better system than the current one, in which the Papa John's near my undergrad college and the best Italian place in my neighborhood are both rated 4.5 stars.
- SkyPuncher 3y agoAt least the 5 star scale has become exceedingly clear that anything below 4.0 is hot trash.
- GaggiX 3y agoBaseball has beaten Hitler with 100000001 matches, surely no one is writing bots for the site, surely.
- EscapeFromNY 3y agoMy first question was Therapy vs Dwayne Johnson. https://i.imgur.com/RIVw4JG.png https://i.imgur.com/RIVw4JG.png How could you ever choose?
- RektBoy 3y agoRofl, who is spamming these POST requests to Hitler? :D
- cstross 3y agoSo not to be confused with 70s pomp rock band ELO, aka the Electric Light Orchestra! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Light_Orchestra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Light_Orchestra
- ArekDymalski 3y agoSriracha sauce vs Electric chair? For several reasons the choice isn't that obvious.
- kthejoker2 3y agoI'm not gonna lie, I cackled at the first comparison ("reddit" vs "The Garden of Earthly Delights") This feels like retro Internet, I love it.
- kylewatson 3y agoLol, I made it until it asked me to choose between Elon Musk and Torture.
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- klysm 3y agoI want to see a graph of the rankings over time
- graypegg 3y agoChecking out the leaderboard, there’s something so viscerally funny about the best things ever being 1) Milk 2) Toronto 3) React Thanks for the laugh! Fun little app
- 7373737373 3y agoWould be great to include all aesthetics from the aesthetics wiki: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/aesthetics/images/d/dd/Aesthetics_mosaic.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20230618224722 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/aesthetics/images/d/dd/Aes...
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- djsedaw 3y agoI'm disappointed, I thought it was a site about the electric light orchestra!
- matthewfelgate 3y agoOh nice. I had an idea to make this website years ago but never did. Actually I had the idea it would match people up who had similar views.
- nojvek 3y agoLeaderboard has sandwich, milk and sexual intercourse. Looks about right.