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> What volunteer would not be seduced by a 6 figure USD salary This seems to be more of an NA thing. I know/have heard of plenty of EU devs who cut short inter

> What volunteer would not be seduced by a 6 figure USD salary This seems to be more of an NA thing. I know/have heard of plenty of EU devs who cut short interviews with NA companies offering 6 figure salaries because they lived very comfortably on their (often lower end) 5 figure salaries and why would they want any more? Especially if it involves sacrificing QoL.

thriftwy 3y ago
The alternative is not accepting 5 figure salary. The alternative is accepting low end 5 figure salary and working on the FOSS product in after hours of a full day dedicated to something else entirely.
jmclnx 3y ago
From what I heard, in the EU if you loose work you will get plenty of support from your Gov. Wish that was the case were I am. In NA, especially in the US, you get a bit of support. But after a period of time, you will be homeless. The period of time depends upon your State. I think in all cases, this period of support, will not exceed 1 year, some states much less. Also that support itself, is no were near the amount needed to cover basic living expenses. This means, in the US, many people would have a very hard time saying no to the a high salary. And there seems to be a trend where Companies will not hire people where were unemployed at the time of the interview. Luckily right now that trend seems to have reversed somewhat due to the skill work shortage.
- fullspectrumdev 3y ago
  Depends where in the EU (it’s not all equal) but yeah. The high taxes generally mean there’s some support if you lose your job. The amount of support varies wildly and is situationally dependant. Eg: as an Irish person working and paying taxes in Germany, when I lost my job there was significantly less help available than there was to a German colleague. Which shouldn’t be the case, but it is.
- jacknews 3y ago
  <shame> The richest country is also the poorest.
micromacrofoot 3y ago
I’d eventually die without a job in the US, so that tracks
zephyrthenoble 3y ago
What kind of person would interview at a company, probably go through multiple rounds of interviews and coding questions, get the job they were looking for, and turn it down because they were offered more than they expected? Why did they interview at the company in the first place?
- _piif 3y ago
  I understood it as them turning down an offer despite the lucrative salary, not because of it. Probably because the circumstances were not quite what they were hoping for.
- belugacat 3y ago
  Some companies like to be sneaky with whether they're open to remote or not. "Oh we have plenty of remote employees! But it is on a team per team basis so that's something you'll have to bring up with your manager", says the recruiter "Oh that's a great question, let me check in with my VP but we should definitely keep the ball rolling!", says the manager. The interviews go on, and then they push an offer with a big number, except now they're not ambiguous and they tell you you're gonna have to move to SF/NYC/etc, hoping the big number will do the convincing. In my experience, pulling that trick on a Swedish or a Swiss person will be met with a flat "nah I'm not interested in SF, thanks for wasting my time". (same trick applies with companies who have multiple offices and tell you they're open to you working at $OFFICE_OF_CHOICE... until the offer is on the table and all of a sudden they really care where you'll have to be) There's definitely lots of cultural things at play here; one of them in my experience is that American culture tends to see a lot of things as "negotiable", whereas European cultures (especially nordic/germanic ones!) like things to be clear and black on white from the get go.
  - ACS_Solver 3y ago
    Indeed. As a Swedish dev, I had part of that experience with a known American company that seemed interested in hiring me to work with an important but very industry-specific technology I was familiar with. It was not a long process with multiple interviews, but I did have a quick introductory call and one substantial interview, after which they said that the teams working with that tech are always onsite in California. That's it, at that moment I am no longer interested, and it leaves somewhat of a bitter taste - they definitely knew where the position was and could have saved everyone some time by saying it right away.
RomanAlexander 3y ago
While that's a cute anecdote, that just means the bid wasn't high enough. QOL for rich people in the USA is at least equal to vastly higher than in the EU.
- subtypefiddler 3y ago
  Is it true though? Doesn't seem to be the case for healthcare outcomes [0], vacation time [1], labor rights, parental leave, etc. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33369633/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33369633/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_b...
- pyrale 3y ago
  > QOL for rich people in the USA is at least equal to vastly higher than in the EU. How much money would it cost for your children to safely cross the city on a bike in the US?
  - mavhc 3y ago
    You'd have to hire a child minder so you didn't get arrested for abandoning your children first

thriftwy 3y ago

The alternative is not accepting 5 figure salary. The alternative is accepting low end 5 figure salary and working on the FOSS product in after hours of a full day dedicated to something else entirely.

jmclnx 3y ago

From what I heard, in the EU if you loose work you will get plenty of support from your Gov. Wish that was the case were I am. In NA, especially in the US, you get a bit of support. But after a period of time, you will be homeless. The period of time depends upon your State. I think in all cases, this period of support, will not exceed 1 year, some states much less. Also that support itself, is no were near the amount needed to cover basic living expenses. This means, in the US, many people would have a very hard time saying no to the a high salary. And there seems to be a trend where Companies will not hire people where were unemployed at the time of the interview. Luckily right now that trend seems to have reversed somewhat due to the skill work shortage.

fullspectrumdev 3y ago
Depends where in the EU (it’s not all equal) but yeah. The high taxes generally mean there’s some support if you lose your job. The amount of support varies wildly and is situationally dependant. Eg: as an Irish person working and paying taxes in Germany, when I lost my job there was significantly less help available than there was to a German colleague. Which shouldn’t be the case, but it is.
jacknews 3y ago
<shame> The richest country is also the poorest.

micromacrofoot 3y ago

I’d eventually die without a job in the US, so that tracks

zephyrthenoble 3y ago

What kind of person would interview at a company, probably go through multiple rounds of interviews and coding questions, get the job they were looking for, and turn it down because they were offered more than they expected? Why did they interview at the company in the first place?

_piif 3y ago
I understood it as them turning down an offer despite the lucrative salary, not because of it. Probably because the circumstances were not quite what they were hoping for.
belugacat 3y ago
Some companies like to be sneaky with whether they're open to remote or not. "Oh we have plenty of remote employees! But it is on a team per team basis so that's something you'll have to bring up with your manager", says the recruiter "Oh that's a great question, let me check in with my VP but we should definitely keep the ball rolling!", says the manager. The interviews go on, and then they push an offer with a big number, except now they're not ambiguous and they tell you you're gonna have to move to SF/NYC/etc, hoping the big number will do the convincing. In my experience, pulling that trick on a Swedish or a Swiss person will be met with a flat "nah I'm not interested in SF, thanks for wasting my time". (same trick applies with companies who have multiple offices and tell you they're open to you working at $OFFICE_OF_CHOICE... until the offer is on the table and all of a sudden they really care where you'll have to be) There's definitely lots of cultural things at play here; one of them in my experience is that American culture tends to see a lot of things as "negotiable", whereas European cultures (especially nordic/germanic ones!) like things to be clear and black on white from the get go.
- ACS_Solver 3y ago
  Indeed. As a Swedish dev, I had part of that experience with a known American company that seemed interested in hiring me to work with an important but very industry-specific technology I was familiar with. It was not a long process with multiple interviews, but I did have a quick introductory call and one substantial interview, after which they said that the teams working with that tech are always onsite in California. That's it, at that moment I am no longer interested, and it leaves somewhat of a bitter taste - they definitely knew where the position was and could have saved everyone some time by saying it right away.

RomanAlexander 3y ago

While that's a cute anecdote, that just means the bid wasn't high enough. QOL for rich people in the USA is at least equal to vastly higher than in the EU.

subtypefiddler 3y ago
Is it true though? Doesn't seem to be the case for healthcare outcomes [0], vacation time [1], labor rights, parental leave, etc. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33369633/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33369633/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_b...
pyrale 3y ago
> QOL for rich people in the USA is at least equal to vastly higher than in the EU. How much money would it cost for your children to safely cross the city on a bike in the US?
- mavhc 3y ago
  You'd have to hire a child minder so you didn't get arrested for abandoning your children first