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Nord as in NordVPN? Source in that case please?

• moffkalast 3y ago
  https://www.techradar.com/news/judge-orders-mediation-after-jury-orders-oxylabs-to-pay-dollar75m-in-latest-episode-of-proxy-wars https://www.techradar.com/news/judge-orders-mediation-after-... http://web.archive.org/web/20191128170008/https://medium.com/@derek./how-is-nordvpn-unblocking-disney-6c51045dbc30 http://web.archive.org/web/20191128170008/https://medium.com... It's pretty well known.
  • KomoD 3y ago
    Skimmed it and I don't see anything about Nord making their users into proxies, second link is questionable (since its deleted and you linked to an archive)
    • internetter 3y ago
      > Aside from its link to Oxylabs, Tesonet also advertises itself as a creator and investor of a number of online services, including NordVPN, Hostinger and others. Where else would they get the 100 million users?
      • KomoD 3y ago
        Yeah I saw that part but it does not mean they are using the users from NordVPN for Oxylabs, there's nothing explicitly showing so.
        • girvo 3y ago
          I'll be honest, the fact that they're directly linked to Oxylabs alone is enough to deter me. I can't see how else they'd get 100 million+ residential customers on Oxylabs side... sure, I'm not going to go around claiming I have direct proof, but that's more than enough for me to not use their services.
      • wswope 3y ago
        Why don't you try installing Nord in a VM and monitoring traffic yourself, instead of taking low-quality blogspam Medium articles at face value? If they're truly hijacking end user clients, why don't you point to the section of their open source client that's responsible for that? https://github.com/NordSecurity/nordvpn-linux https://github.com/NordSecurity/nordvpn-linux Easy enough to prove.
        • KomoD 3y ago
          Exactly, I'd love to see some proper proof other than "the parent company owns a residential proxy service"
          • internetter 3y ago
            Honestly, "the parent company owns a residential proxy service" is more than enough to deter me from the product.
        • internetter 3y ago
          I didn't even read the medium article, only the first one. That's what I quoted from. I agree, investigating traffic would be an excellent idea, but I don't intend on putting my credit card into nord's sketchy site (they apparently don't accept paypal)
          • KomoD 3y ago
            They do accept paypal, I just checked their site. Credit or debit card, Klarna, PayPal, Google Pay, Cryptocurrencies
            • internetter 3y ago
              Where? I'm presented with "Credit or debit" (direct input), AmazonPay, ACH Transfer, and Crypto https://imgur.com/G4j1DB8 https://imgur.com/G4j1DB8
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  • internetter 3y ago
    I always thought nord seemed incredibly sketchy. Thanks for the confirmation.
  • wswope 3y ago
    It's not "well-known"- because your links don't say what you're claiming they do, and this is a conspiracy theory that's been shut down on here a thousand times before. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22532682 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22532682 NordVPN used residential proxies at one point to enable access to Disney+ and other streaming services; that's a world apart from hijacking end-user connections. They've got an open source client. Where's the code that's turning end users into endpoints? https://github.com/NordSecurity/nordvpn-linux https://github.com/NordSecurity/nordvpn-linux
    • internetter 3y ago
      > NordVPN used residential proxies at one point to enable access to Disney+ and other streaming services I'm sorry but that's incredibly sketchy
      • jug 3y ago
        It really is of course, but I can honestly see them resort to this only to be able to offer a competitive edge because when it all comes around, this stuff is what many use VPN for rather than privacy. As streaming sites keep clamping down on VPN providers, the low hanging fruits of dodging via mere national IP addresses are blacklisted by them and these providers need to go even further to fool them and compete. But yes, it's also sketchy with the other implications and all, and not the least what kind of traffic that people want to hide that you're unknowingly a proxy to!
    • Phemist 3y ago
      https://github.com/NordSecurity/nordvpn-linux/tree/main/meshnet/exitnode https://github.com/NordSecurity/nordvpn-linux/tree/main/mesh... The standard linux vpn client clearly has some exitnode capabilities.
      • KomoD 3y ago
        That's for Meshnet: https://nordvpn.com/meshnet/ https://nordvpn.com/meshnet/