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As they are a company trying to make profit, isn't it their _literal job_ to find a way to make the site profitable without alienating a significant chunk of th

As they are a company trying to make profit, isn't it their _literal job_ to find a way to make the site profitable without alienating a significant chunk of the userbase? Because, from this standpoint, it just looks like they're incapable of doing their jobs properly. Especially Steve.

YetAnotherNick 3y ago
> to find a way to make the site profitable without alienating a significant chunk of the userbase? Is it? Apple is the most profitable company and by most metric a well performing company and they never shied away from alienating their users(by things like removing 32 bits, headphone jack, iphone mini etc). Google is the same where they killed many services used by millions.
- KnobbleMcKnees 3y ago
  > Is it? Apple is the most profitable company and by most metric a well performing company and they never shied away from alienating their users(by things like removing 32 bits, headphone jack, iphone mini etc). Apple has intentionally raised it's userbase inside of a walled garden from the start of the second Jobs era. The Apple experience is to be told what is good and why. Yes they are very effective at this but I see no point of comparison with how Reddit has evolved - or failed to - over the last decade or so. >Google is the same where they killed many services used by millions Google are as bad as Reddit, if not worse, for the same reasons that I gave. They are an ad company with a slew of vanity projects that wouldn't exist without ads, or only exist to deliver more ads or provide data for more accurate targeting of ads.
  - YetAnotherNick 3y ago
    > Google are as bad as Reddit, if not worse, for the same reasons that I gave No one is denying that the things reddit or Google did are bad for the users. The discussion was whether it is bad for the company's shareholders. As a company, Google kind of succeeded even after killing lot of products and only keep the products which are relevant for the ads at least till now. And keep the focus on scaling ads at the cost of user satisfaction.

YetAnotherNick 3y ago

> to find a way to make the site profitable without alienating a significant chunk of the userbase? Is it? Apple is the most profitable company and by most metric a well performing company and they never shied away from alienating their users(by things like removing 32 bits, headphone jack, iphone mini etc). Google is the same where they killed many services used by millions.

KnobbleMcKnees 3y ago
> Is it? Apple is the most profitable company and by most metric a well performing company and they never shied away from alienating their users(by things like removing 32 bits, headphone jack, iphone mini etc). Apple has intentionally raised it's userbase inside of a walled garden from the start of the second Jobs era. The Apple experience is to be told what is good and why. Yes they are very effective at this but I see no point of comparison with how Reddit has evolved - or failed to - over the last decade or so. >Google is the same where they killed many services used by millions Google are as bad as Reddit, if not worse, for the same reasons that I gave. They are an ad company with a slew of vanity projects that wouldn't exist without ads, or only exist to deliver more ads or provide data for more accurate targeting of ads.
- YetAnotherNick 3y ago
  > Google are as bad as Reddit, if not worse, for the same reasons that I gave No one is denying that the things reddit or Google did are bad for the users. The discussion was whether it is bad for the company's shareholders. As a company, Google kind of succeeded even after killing lot of products and only keep the products which are relevant for the ads at least till now. And keep the focus on scaling ads at the cost of user satisfaction.