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> The number of monthly active users has increased over 25 times, from 1.000 to 27.000. That’s incredibly lower than I expected…
by yunohn 3y ago
> The number of monthly active users has increased over 25 times, from 1.000 to 27.000.
That’s incredibly lower than I expected…
- satvikpendem 3y agoThat is about what I expected, honestly. Only the people who really care will migrate, just as with Mastodon. The vast majority don't care and will continue using Reddit.
- littlestymaar 3y ago> The vast majority don't care and will continue using Reddit. You forget the third category of people, the ones who'll just mostly stop using Reddit without seeking a 1-to-1 alternative.
- satvikpendem 3y agoThat's also a small minority of people, they'd have to care about third party apps which are already a minority and also walk away from using the site, which can be hard if you already use it heavily, which it's likely that third party users do so. For example, I've been using third party apps for years but I downloaded the official app because I honestly don't care about the client I use for a particular site.
- littlestymaar 3y agoTime will tell, but third-party apps users (and old.reddit's[1] ones) also tend to be the most prolific users, and it's the posters and admin that run the show. [1]: they've already removed i.reddit earlier this year, I don't expect old.reddit to make it to 2024.
- shagie 3y agoFrom a sub with reasonable traffic non-tech sub that I moderate... Normally I have ~75 new subscribers per day and less than 5 unsubscribes per day. Just prior to the strike, the subscribers dropped to ~35. At the start of the strike, unsubscribes went up to ~10 while new subscribers went up to ~100. During the strike, the number of new subscribers went up to ~175. Other subs with a similar topics (and the big one) had gone private during that time. I'm back to ~75 new subscribers per day. As to old vs other... page views per day for the past 30 days (very spiky) and the previous 30 days Past 30 days | Previous 30 days Client Low High | Low High old.reddit: ~35 ~100 | ~25 ~75 new.reddit: ~200 ~900 | ~200 ~400 Mobile web: ~100 ~300 | ~100 ~150 Android client: ~1000 ~2000 | ~1000 ~1500 iOS client: ~2000 ~6000 | ~2000 ~3000 Total: ~2500 ~9500 | ~3000 ~5000 The past 30 days have been very spiky. Not just a little, but very. The previous timeframe was very regular. Old.reddit... yea, it doesn't have the numbers at all, though I'll note that most people using the sub appear to be people browsing on their phone as even new.reddit isn't that much higher than old.reddit stats. I'm gonna say though, that for a sub that is for "regular people" - the most prolific users aren't 3rd party apps or old.reddit. At least not with with the people who browse this sub. Now, for a tech oriented very low traffic sub... (and looking at its stats, it went way up during the strike since the high traffic ones closed from less than 500 page views to about 1500). Normally it gets a subscriber a day with 5 new subscribers being a significant growth... there were 55 new subscribers during the strike. Past 7 days | Previous 30 days Client Low High | Low High old.reddit: ~25 ~75 | ~10 ~60 new.reddit: ~400 ~600 | ~75 ~475 Mobile web: ~150 ~250 | ~30 ~150 Android client: ~125 ~350 | ~25 ~100 iOS client: ~400 ~700 | ~25 ~250 Total: ~1000 ~1500 | ~175 ~1000 New.reddit seems to be the preferred client there, though its such a small sample that its difficult to say much. The API appears/is believed to to show up under mobile web as the bucket - along with people still using the mobile web client. The page served to a browser pretending to be an iPhone is doing calls against the newish gql.reddit.com APIs.
- Macha 3y ago> the API appears/is believed to to show up under mobile web as the bucket - along with people still using the mobile web client. The page served to a browser pretending to be an iPhone is doing calls against the newish gql.reddit.com APIs. My understanding is that 3P apps used to be their own explicitly tracked category with a android/iOS split but then get mixed into the regular android/iOS categories with the first party client.
- guraf 3y ago> third-party apps users (and old.reddit's[1] ones) also tend to be the most prolific users Can you give a source for that? I see this claim repeated but upon examination it seems to be a complete lie. Happy to be proven wrong.
- littlestymaar 3y agoMy wording is backward actually, what I meant is that third-pary apps users are a much more active user base than the average joe, not that the most prolific are necessarily on third-party apps.
- dzsekijo 3y ago'i.reddit' is still available by appending '.i' to the url
- drivebycomment 3y agoUnsurprising at all. The lack or the reduction of 3rd part app and API access does not affect the vast majority of reddit users who use the official website and the official app. The vocal minority is unlikely to convince the majority users to boycott. The moderators who choose to keep any subreddit private extended period of time is effectively choosing to slowly kill off their subreddit, after which a replacement subreddit is likely to just spring forward and replace. I think this whole saga is emotional and irrational response.
- kgwxd 3y agoEmotional, yes. Irrational, no. There’s only one legal move the users and mods have to maybe make a difference.
- drivebycomment 3y agoIrrational because there's no path and clear leverage that helps them get to the purported end-goal. It is more like a tantrum than a strategic calculated response, which makes it more irrational than rational.
- satvikpendem 3y agoThe only legal move is to quit reddit entirely.
- Donald 3y agoReddit is very bizarre right now. Most of the active users are non-power users who are flummoxed at why mods have shut down their favorite subreddits. They are complaining in droves. Lots of long-winded Facebook boomer-style rants about how they read the subreddit with their kids and they need it back up to entertain them. Some subs are protesting the spez moderator removal threat by changing the topic of the sub entirely. Meanwhile, most of the content producers seem to have fled the site and latest high quality serious content is a week old at this point. I don’t see how Reddit recovers from this without losing a great deal of value for their shareholders. I’m expecting Huffman to resign based on how much he has damaged their monetization potential with advertisers.
- kitsunesoba 3y agoLoss of the primary content creators is serious, more than I think most realize. Without active serious creators you end up with nothing but an endless feed of endlessly recycled memes. Reddit was already trending that direction anyway with repost bots posting almost as much as real users, and creators leaving will only accelerate the process.
- satvikpendem 3y ago> Without active serious creators you end up with nothing but an endless feed of endlessly recycled memes. This is what drives the most eyeballs to ads though. Reddit simply wants to be like Instagram with memes, not an actual text-based discussion forum.
- ramraj07 3y agoBut now their serious competition is 9gag not quora or some other site. Most of my regular friends started using Reddit not just for the memes but the text based ones (like AITA, BORU) and local subs. Good luck making them look good with a large fraction of creators and good mods leaving.
- satvikpendem 3y ago
- seba_dos1 3y agoReddit relies on having users that care though. Without them, all it can do is just to enshitten itself.
- freddie_mercury 3y agoNo, Reddit relies on people needing to mindlessly scroll, barely reading even the headlines, all to fill up minutes in an empty existence. "Caring" doesn't feature highly. The 35 million members of /r/aww aren't there because they care deeply about something.
- bluGill 3y agoThe people who care are posting content for the rest who scroll. The scrollers is where the money is, but the posters are why they exist.
- mcmoor 3y agoAlso people who move because they like their 3PA won't move to another platform that also don't have good mobile app.
- hanniabu 3y agoWhen we have actually decentralized apps I believe we'll see much better adoption. The fediverse has all the worse parts of decentralization with none of the benefits. For example you can go to another instance where a community is mirrored and create an account with the same username as a prominent poster and impersonate them.
- rg111 3y agoMastodon is unusable to me because I need two accounts to be parts of the math community and programming community. N accounts for N interests I have. Doesn't work for me. Reddit had subs. With one acocunt, I could sub to any number of interests. Twitter is flat. Again, I can get content from all areas of interest fron one account.
- BaseballPhysics 3y agoHuh? What makes you think that? If you set up an account on a Lemmy instance, you can subscribe to communities on any other instance. You absolutely do not need an account on each server. Thats kinda that whole point of the fediverse. Heck, you can even follow Lemmy communities from a Mastodon server, or a Calckey instance, since they all talk ActivityPub. Edit: ahh, I just noticed I misread the parent post, as they are talking about Mastodon, not Lemmy. Of course my comment also largely applies to Mastodon, save that you follow people instead of whole communities. Yes, that means you really have to build a good followed list to get the most out of it.
- shagie 3y agoShort of following everyone on the other instance, the "local" view on each likely has people that you aren't following. You can't get the "what's the buzz on the other one?" from viewing the home, local, or federated views. Additionally, the discoverability of your content on one server depends on it getting followed and people watching the federated feed rather than local or home feeds (and when people on the site are following other sites, your content is difficult to be discovered). The federated feed is a firehose that goes too fast for discovery. The local feed is domain/subject/theme appropriate and where most people likely browse content. Your content would only show up in the local feed of the other if someone on that other one boosted it which implies that they discovered it on the other instance and followed your account there. If you post something math related on the programming instance, the only way for it to show up in the local feed of the math instance is for someone to boost it there. Short of having someone boosting everything that you want to say on the other topic on the other instance, it might be less friction to maintain multiple accounts. That's not the way that it "should" work, but that's the way that people are using it. The "town square" of the local feed is where interesting things happen.
- onion2k 3y agoThe vast majority don't care and will continue using Reddit. Some (eg me) will just stop using Reddit. I didn't need an alternative, I needed a reason to stop. The blackout gave me that.
- basch 3y agoThe user interface has gotten so bad, it doesn’t really feel like quitting, moreso that the product is already gone. Alien Blue, Apollo, old. They’ve made such a trash product, that’s so unpleasant to use, it’s more like escape than quit.
- SkyPuncher 3y agoEven considering people distributed to several different platforms, those numbers are just aren’t that damning to Reddit. 27k is nothing.
- tapoxi 3y agoIt's not nothing, it's 27k. There's a point at which a social network has enough content to be usable. Reddit (to me) hasn't significantly increased in value since I started using it 15 years ago. People post the same links. Some of the conversations are a little better. The spam and reposting is a lot worse.
- SkyPuncher 3y agoIt’s big for Lemmy, but it’s nothing for Reddit. If the Reddit blackout were serious, I’d expect that number to be a jump to 1M+. Just to put things in perspective, I mod’s a sub with 20k subscribers. I literally took 5 mod actions in the years that I was a mod. There just isn’t enough activity. 27k is great for Lemmy, but it’s not enough to change their trajectory.
- tapoxi 3y agoIt doesn't need to change Reddit's trajectory, it only needs to exist as a viable alternative. Here we are on HN, and HN isn't nearly as big as Reddit either but still a valuable platform, significantly better than r/technology. More users doesn't equal better content.
- lolinder 3y ago> If the Reddit blackout were serious I don't know about you, but my web searches have been severely hamstrung by the blackout, so it looks like a lot of subs are still taking it seriously. There is so much content that is now gone and inaccessible, Reddit's bounce rate on Google has to be through the roof. It's not that the blackout isn't serious, it's that Lemmy isn't yet a viable alternative for most people.
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- tramtrist 3y agohttps://fedidb.org/software/lemmy https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy
- brutal_chaos_ 3y agoyes, and the moderation problems will start July 1st. 26k is nothing, for sure, to Reddit. But every movement starts small. For now, Reddit doesn't have to worry and Lemmy can up their game. Also, what about kbin numbers? How many have stopped using Reddit, but didn't switch networks? This one number doesn't mean much since Lemmy isn't Reddit's only problem.
- hanniabu 3y agoThat's only one instance
- binwiederhier 3y agoIt seems to be all instances actually, see https://the-federation.info/platform/73 https://the-federation.info/platform/73 and click on "Active last month". That's quite shocking. I run a push notification service and have ~25k daily active users, and it runs on a single 2 core machine with 2 GB RAM. I'm not saying that it's easy to run a service for so many users, but the largest of the Lemmy instance has ~3k users. That's super small, and a lot smaller than expected.
- zmmmmm 3y agoVery surprising indeed. I suppose one can look not just at the absolute numbers right now (or whenever those stats are from) but at the gradient and extrapolate forward. If they can sustain anything like that rate of signups for even a week or two they'll start to hit interesting numbers.
- Zetice 3y agoJust another example of why this whole Reddit "blackout" isn't related to what most Redditors actually care about.
- MisterBastahrd 3y agoYa'll really thought that there'd be some sort of mass migration? Tell you what, go find a subreddit like r/nba which has been locked down for days and find the thread where mods are reopening the subreddit. See what the mood is among the users. People here and moderators there have GREATLY misread the mood of the people on the platform. Even worse, in many subreddits, the moderators were still posting to their own subs and forgot to clean up after themselves.
- zmmmmm 3y agoThey might just be counting their instance. These things get way more complicated to figure out in a federated world (which is actually good in some respects). There are at least half a dozen instances where people are going to. EDIT: someone posted below some stats showing it's at least roughly counting all instances. Quite surprising though I wonder if it's lagging a bit. Also keep in mind, for a good amount of time during the blackout they were down or had registration closed.