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Update from Lemmy after the Reddit blackout

210 points by roskelld 3y ago

yunohn 3y ago
> The number of monthly active users has increased over 25 times, from 1.000 to 27.000. That’s incredibly lower than I expected…
- satvikpendem 3y ago
  That is about what I expected, honestly. Only the people who really care will migrate, just as with Mastodon. The vast majority don't care and will continue using Reddit.
  - littlestymaar 3y ago
    > The vast majority don't care and will continue using Reddit. You forget the third category of people, the ones who'll just mostly stop using Reddit without seeking a 1-to-1 alternative.
    - satvikpendem 3y ago
      That's also a small minority of people, they'd have to care about third party apps which are already a minority and also walk away from using the site, which can be hard if you already use it heavily, which it's likely that third party users do so. For example, I've been using third party apps for years but I downloaded the official app because I honestly don't care about the client I use for a particular site.
      - littlestymaar 3y ago
        Time will tell, but third-party apps users (and old.reddit's[1] ones) also tend to be the most prolific users, and it's the posters and admin that run the show. [1]: they've already removed i.reddit earlier this year, I don't expect old.reddit to make it to 2024.
        shagie 3y ago
        From a sub with reasonable traffic non-tech sub that I moderate... Normally I have ~75 new subscribers per day and less than 5 unsubscribes per day. Just prior to the strike, the subscribers dropped to ~35. At the start of the strike, unsubscribes went up to ~10 while new subscribers went up to ~100. During the strike, the number of new subscribers went up to ~175. Other subs with a similar topics (and the big one) had gone private during that time. I'm back to ~75 new subscribers per day. As to old vs other... page views per day for the past 30 days (very spiky) and the previous 30 days Past 30 days | Previous 30 days Client Low High | Low High old.reddit: ~35 ~100 | ~25 ~75 new.reddit: ~200 ~900 | ~200 ~400 Mobile web: ~100 ~300 | ~100 ~150 Android client: ~1000 ~2000 | ~1000 ~1500 iOS client: ~2000 ~6000 | ~2000 ~3000 Total: ~2500 ~9500 | ~3000 ~5000 The past 30 days have been very spiky. Not just a little, but very. The previous timeframe was very regular. Old.reddit... yea, it doesn't have the numbers at all, though I'll note that most people using the sub appear to be people browsing on their phone as even new.reddit isn't that much higher than old.reddit stats. I'm gonna say though, that for a sub that is for "regular people" - the most prolific users aren't 3rd party apps or old.reddit. At least not with with the people who browse this sub. Now, for a tech oriented very low traffic sub... (and looking at its stats, it went way up during the strike since the high traffic ones closed from less than 500 page views to about 1500). Normally it gets a subscriber a day with 5 new subscribers being a significant growth... there were 55 new subscribers during the strike. Past 7 days | Previous 30 days Client Low High | Low High old.reddit: ~25 ~75 | ~10 ~60 new.reddit: ~400 ~600 | ~75 ~475 Mobile web: ~150 ~250 | ~30 ~150 Android client: ~125 ~350 | ~25 ~100 iOS client: ~400 ~700 | ~25 ~250 Total: ~1000 ~1500 | ~175 ~1000 New.reddit seems to be the preferred client there, though its such a small sample that its difficult to say much. The API appears/is believed to to show up under mobile web as the bucket - along with people still using the mobile web client. The page served to a browser pretending to be an iPhone is doing calls against the newish gql.reddit.com APIs.
        Macha 3y ago
  - drivebycomment 3y ago
    Unsurprising at all. The lack or the reduction of 3rd part app and API access does not affect the vast majority of reddit users who use the official website and the official app. The vocal minority is unlikely to convince the majority users to boycott. The moderators who choose to keep any subreddit private extended period of time is effectively choosing to slowly kill off their subreddit, after which a replacement subreddit is likely to just spring forward and replace. I think this whole saga is emotional and irrational response.
    - kgwxd 3y ago
      Emotional, yes. Irrational, no. There’s only one legal move the users and mods have to maybe make a difference.
      - drivebycomment 3y ago
        Irrational because there's no path and clear leverage that helps them get to the purported end-goal. It is more like a tantrum than a strategic calculated response, which makes it more irrational than rational.
      - satvikpendem 3y ago
        The only legal move is to quit reddit entirely.
  - Donald 3y ago
    Reddit is very bizarre right now. Most of the active users are non-power users who are flummoxed at why mods have shut down their favorite subreddits. They are complaining in droves. Lots of long-winded Facebook boomer-style rants about how they read the subreddit with their kids and they need it back up to entertain them. Some subs are protesting the spez moderator removal threat by changing the topic of the sub entirely. Meanwhile, most of the content producers seem to have fled the site and latest high quality serious content is a week old at this point. I don’t see how Reddit recovers from this without losing a great deal of value for their shareholders. I’m expecting Huffman to resign based on how much he has damaged their monetization potential with advertisers.
    - kitsunesoba 3y ago
      Loss of the primary content creators is serious, more than I think most realize. Without active serious creators you end up with nothing but an endless feed of endlessly recycled memes. Reddit was already trending that direction anyway with repost bots posting almost as much as real users, and creators leaving will only accelerate the process.
      - satvikpendem 3y ago
        > Without active serious creators you end up with nothing but an endless feed of endlessly recycled memes. This is what drives the most eyeballs to ads though. Reddit simply wants to be like Instagram with memes, not an actual text-based discussion forum.
        ramraj07 3y ago
        But now their serious competition is 9gag not quora or some other site. Most of my regular friends started using Reddit not just for the memes but the text based ones (like AITA, BORU) and local subs. Good luck making them look good with a large fraction of creators and good mods leaving.
        satvikpendem 3y ago
  - seba_dos1 3y ago
    Reddit relies on having users that care though. Without them, all it can do is just to enshitten itself.
    - freddie_mercury 3y ago
      No, Reddit relies on people needing to mindlessly scroll, barely reading even the headlines, all to fill up minutes in an empty existence. "Caring" doesn't feature highly. The 35 million members of /r/aww aren't there because they care deeply about something.
      - bluGill 3y ago
        The people who care are posting content for the rest who scroll. The scrollers is where the money is, but the posters are why they exist.
  - mcmoor 3y ago
    Also people who move because they like their 3PA won't move to another platform that also don't have good mobile app.
  - hanniabu 3y ago
    When we have actually decentralized apps I believe we'll see much better adoption. The fediverse has all the worse parts of decentralization with none of the benefits. For example you can go to another instance where a community is mirrored and create an account with the same username as a prominent poster and impersonate them.
  - rg111 3y ago
    Mastodon is unusable to me because I need two accounts to be parts of the math community and programming community. N accounts for N interests I have. Doesn't work for me. Reddit had subs. With one acocunt, I could sub to any number of interests. Twitter is flat. Again, I can get content from all areas of interest fron one account.
    - BaseballPhysics 3y ago
      Huh? What makes you think that? If you set up an account on a Lemmy instance, you can subscribe to communities on any other instance. You absolutely do not need an account on each server. Thats kinda that whole point of the fediverse. Heck, you can even follow Lemmy communities from a Mastodon server, or a Calckey instance, since they all talk ActivityPub. Edit: ahh, I just noticed I misread the parent post, as they are talking about Mastodon, not Lemmy. Of course my comment also largely applies to Mastodon, save that you follow people instead of whole communities. Yes, that means you really have to build a good followed list to get the most out of it.
      - shagie 3y ago
        Short of following everyone on the other instance, the "local" view on each likely has people that you aren't following. You can't get the "what's the buzz on the other one?" from viewing the home, local, or federated views. Additionally, the discoverability of your content on one server depends on it getting followed and people watching the federated feed rather than local or home feeds (and when people on the site are following other sites, your content is difficult to be discovered). The federated feed is a firehose that goes too fast for discovery. The local feed is domain/subject/theme appropriate and where most people likely browse content. Your content would only show up in the local feed of the other if someone on that other one boosted it which implies that they discovered it on the other instance and followed your account there. If you post something math related on the programming instance, the only way for it to show up in the local feed of the math instance is for someone to boost it there. Short of having someone boosting everything that you want to say on the other topic on the other instance, it might be less friction to maintain multiple accounts. That's not the way that it "should" work, but that's the way that people are using it. The "town square" of the local feed is where interesting things happen.
  - onion2k 3y ago
    The vast majority don't care and will continue using Reddit. Some (eg me) will just stop using Reddit. I didn't need an alternative, I needed a reason to stop. The blackout gave me that.
    - basch 3y ago
      The user interface has gotten so bad, it doesn’t really feel like quitting, moreso that the product is already gone. Alien Blue, Apollo, old. They’ve made such a trash product, that’s so unpleasant to use, it’s more like escape than quit.
- SkyPuncher 3y ago
  Even considering people distributed to several different platforms, those numbers are just aren’t that damning to Reddit. 27k is nothing.
  - tapoxi 3y ago
    It's not nothing, it's 27k. There's a point at which a social network has enough content to be usable. Reddit (to me) hasn't significantly increased in value since I started using it 15 years ago. People post the same links. Some of the conversations are a little better. The spam and reposting is a lot worse.
    - SkyPuncher 3y ago
      It’s big for Lemmy, but it’s nothing for Reddit. If the Reddit blackout were serious, I’d expect that number to be a jump to 1M+. Just to put things in perspective, I mod’s a sub with 20k subscribers. I literally took 5 mod actions in the years that I was a mod. There just isn’t enough activity. 27k is great for Lemmy, but it’s not enough to change their trajectory.
      - tapoxi 3y ago
        It doesn't need to change Reddit's trajectory, it only needs to exist as a viable alternative. Here we are on HN, and HN isn't nearly as big as Reddit either but still a valuable platform, significantly better than r/technology. More users doesn't equal better content.
      - lolinder 3y ago
        > If the Reddit blackout were serious I don't know about you, but my web searches have been severely hamstrung by the blackout, so it looks like a lot of subs are still taking it seriously. There is so much content that is now gone and inaccessible, Reddit's bounce rate on Google has to be through the roof. It's not that the blackout isn't serious, it's that Lemmy isn't yet a viable alternative for most people.
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- tramtrist 3y ago
  https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy
- brutal_chaos_ 3y ago
  yes, and the moderation problems will start July 1st. 26k is nothing, for sure, to Reddit. But every movement starts small. For now, Reddit doesn't have to worry and Lemmy can up their game. Also, what about kbin numbers? How many have stopped using Reddit, but didn't switch networks? This one number doesn't mean much since Lemmy isn't Reddit's only problem.
- hanniabu 3y ago
  That's only one instance
  - binwiederhier 3y ago
    It seems to be all instances actually, see https://the-federation.info/platform/73 https://the-federation.info/platform/73 and click on "Active last month". That's quite shocking. I run a push notification service and have ~25k daily active users, and it runs on a single 2 core machine with 2 GB RAM. I'm not saying that it's easy to run a service for so many users, but the largest of the Lemmy instance has ~3k users. That's super small, and a lot smaller than expected.
    - zmmmmm 3y ago
      Very surprising indeed. I suppose one can look not just at the absolute numbers right now (or whenever those stats are from) but at the gradient and extrapolate forward. If they can sustain anything like that rate of signups for even a week or two they'll start to hit interesting numbers.
- Zetice 3y ago
  Just another example of why this whole Reddit "blackout" isn't related to what most Redditors actually care about.
  - UberFly 3y ago
    Well, a hell of a lot of the Redditors on mobile do care about the changes so I'm not sure who your comment is directed at.
    - Sharlin 3y ago
      Still a small minority. Most Reddit users use the official app and don’t even know that there are others.
    - Zetice 3y ago
      Prove it. Every single number I see shows a very tiny vocal minority trying to speak for a silent majority who does not care.
  - jmye 3y ago
    Because they didn’t move en masse to a mediocre alternative? That’s a pretty disingenuous reading of this report.
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- MisterBastahrd 3y ago
  Ya'll really thought that there'd be some sort of mass migration? Tell you what, go find a subreddit like r/nba which has been locked down for days and find the thread where mods are reopening the subreddit. See what the mood is among the users. People here and moderators there have GREATLY misread the mood of the people on the platform. Even worse, in many subreddits, the moderators were still posting to their own subs and forgot to clean up after themselves.
- zmmmmm 3y ago
  They might just be counting their instance. These things get way more complicated to figure out in a federated world (which is actually good in some respects). There are at least half a dozen instances where people are going to. EDIT: someone posted below some stats showing it's at least roughly counting all instances. Quite surprising though I wonder if it's lagging a bit. Also keep in mind, for a good amount of time during the blackout they were down or had registration closed.
defrost 3y ago
> On another topic, there are rumors circulating that we are fascists or supported genocide. There's one of the major milestones in the evolution of a social media network right there. Congratulations! (?)
- satvikpendem 3y ago
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  - defrost 3y ago
    Fair point if true. There's no shortage of those that unironically support mass murder from western states either; personally I'd be happy to see the back of all of them.
  - zmmmmm 3y ago
    That's the sort of allegation that probably shouldn't be just bandied about without some kind of supporting evidence. Do you have any source?
    - m00x 3y ago
      I'm new to all of this, but it is worrisome that one of the main dev's github portrait is Fidel Castro. https://github.com/Nutomic https://github.com/Nutomic
    - croutonwagon 3y ago
      Here’s a thread with some sources https://lemmyonline.com/post/2866 https://lemmyonline.com/post/2866 Here’s one such comment that has some links. https://lemmyonline.com/comment/17761 https://lemmyonline.com/comment/17761
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gmuslera 3y ago
This bring me memories of when Google Reader closed. The existing back then alternatives got hammered badly by the relatively sudden massive influx of new users. Still the numbers are low, and what users will find is something different from what they used to, but I think the more diverse landscape will push a change in how people use internet to connect each other and to content, beyond reddit/lemmy/etc kind of usage.
- mock-possum 3y ago
  Aw man RIP google reader. That’s the only reason I’m on feedly now
- dingaling 3y ago
  > This bring me memories of when Google Reader closed Which ironically was a service that centralised consumption of RSS, something that was designed to be decentralised. It was alarming to watch adoption of Google Reader simply because it was more convenient than running one's own RSS client.
Dennip 3y ago
Maybe its just me but I'm not a massive fan of the lemmy 'front-page', it feels too squashed horizontally, and also too vertically spaced-out. The font feels too big, Or maybe I just hate all change and want it to look more like old.reddit.com...
- zmmmmm 3y ago
  Yup. It's the main thing making me want to use kbin.social. Even there I had to use Stylebot to force a wider layout but the default is much better. I can't quite understand what the obsession with narrow layouts is these days. It's not like most of these sites don't have separate mobile layouts. Are they really just lazy about design and can't be bothered testing reflow of their text?
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- praisewhitey 3y ago
  I understand why in 2023 running Lemmy (Rust) over Kbin (PHP) is more appealing, but Kbin looks and feels much nicer to me.
  - kaba0 3y ago
    I have been trying out Tildes and I absolutely love their UI/UX! It’s minimal, very easy to read, yet offers great functionality. I think it can also be used with JS disabled. HN could learn a bit from it (at least make the collapse button a slightly bigger target for mobile)
    - cassianoleal 3y ago
      > make the collapse button a slightly bigger target And the vote arrows! People downvote when they wanted to upvote and vice-versa.
  - antifa 3y ago
    What are some other reasons to choose kbin over lemmy?
variant 3y ago
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treme 3y ago
FOSS needs to teach basic marketing 101. Content first on landing page. Not "what's an instance?"
- the-grump 3y ago
  FOSS 101: you don't like it, send a patch.
  - Uehreka 3y ago
    I’m not submitting a patch to something if I don’t know what it is.
    - andrewstuart2 3y ago
      We have a saying for that too involving reading the manual.
      - bluefirebrand 3y ago
        The amount of times I've been told "Read the manual" and then the link to the manual was down, or the manual was out of date, or the manual was so disorganized I couldn't find what I was looking for far outnumbers the times a manual was useful. My guess is people who angrily retort "rtfm" are not the best at actually writing manuals.
        bluGill 3y ago
        That is your sign to figure out the answer and fix the manual. This is often the most needed contribution. If you do well your feature requests are get priority as you are an active contributor.
        jancsika 3y ago
        Ooh, I got this one: > The amount of times I've been told "Read the manual" and then the link to the manual was down, Patches accepted for fixing links so you can read the fucking manual. > or the manual was out of date, This is deb-old-doc list, the mailing list for archiving vintage manuals. To discuss out-of-date manuals in current versions of Debian you must subscribe to deb-doc-old > or the manual was so disorganized I couldn't find what I was looking for far outnumbers the times a manual was useful. Did you file a bug report? > My guess is people who angrily retort "rtfm" are not the best at actually writing manuals. It's possible. On the other hand: you don't exist. Go away. How'd I do? :)
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faangsticle 3y ago
> If you host your own instance, we have no control over it at all and are unable to censor what users say. Well, except for when you program the software that way. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1224#issuecomment-714886485 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1224#issuecomment-7...
- TaylorAlexander 3y ago
  Okay, the software has a slur filter built in. Seems great! I also assume users of their own instance can remove that, but this might affect visibility on other hosts.
  - faangsticle 3y ago
    The discussion is about making it configurable, which was rejected.
    - lolinder 3y ago
      It was made configurable just over a year later. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/main/RELEASES.md#lemmy-release-v0140-federation-with-mastodon-and-pleroma-2021-11-17 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/main/RELEASES.md#lemm...
- nyanpasu64 3y ago
  Hilariously a year after saying they would never remove the slur filter, they did just that in 0.14 (https://lemmy.ml/post/89740 https://lemmy.ml/post/89740). I'm not sure if that's a good look or not.
  - imiric 3y ago
    It's definitely an improvement. Instances should be allowed to moderate speech however they want to. Good software is continuously improved. Criticizing the authors for an arguably wrong design decision they've corrected years ago is vengeful and petty. It's no different than the viral rumors spread by the Mastodon thread TFA mentions. This is abhorrent behavior that has no place in the open source community.
rrssh 3y ago
> Such slander doesn’t deserve any response and is best left ignored. Don't preach to me something you don't do. It's reserved for... nobody gets to do it to me actually.
lopkeny12ko 3y ago
> We are individuals with our own opinions. If you disagree with these, it is no problem! You can still freely use the Lemmy software on different instances. If you host your own instance, we have no control over it at all and are unable to censor what users say. Love this! This is the true spirit of FOSS software, and I hope more projects adopt this ethos. Don't like how it works? Stop complaining and fork it. Don't like how it's being operated? Stop complaining and host your own instance!
- safety1st 3y ago
  Also, for those of us who are strictly users and are not likely to contribute, we don't have to take sides in anything. 1. Use the RSS client of your choice 2. Go to a master list of all federated Lemmy communities e.g. https://lemmy.world/communities/listing_type/All/page/1 https://lemmy.world/communities/listing_type/All/page/1 3. Click through to any community on any instance that looks interesting and add its RSS feed to your client. I don't know precisely what the future of Lemmy will be, I wish them well because they've produced a cool piece of software which is more open than Reddit and puts RSS front and center. But for the time being I simply have some Lemmy feeds right next to the old.reddit.com feeds in my RSS reader, pure win for me as a user. My universe grew and I don't have to have a horse in anyone's race. This is why we RSS.
  - eviks 3y ago
    How do you like and reply in RSS?
    - jochem9 3y ago
      Well, OP already states that RSS is solely for people who only consume, not contribute. So no voting or commenting. Then again, I have hacker news in my RSS feed and get a link to both the article and comment thread. That's how I'm now able to reply to your comment. Not sure if Lemmy (or reddit) support this out of the box as well.
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bioemerl 3y ago
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- 0x53 3y ago
  I haven’t really heard of Lemmy before. Do you have additional information about the creators support of China?
  - bioemerl 3y ago
    There are a few examples elsewhere in this thread where people have linked to supporting evidence. It's really obvious as well if you just go to the website and browse for a bit but it's infested with tankies, and has the support of the developers.
  - shagie 3y ago
    The GitHub project is https://github.com/LemmyNet https://github.com/LemmyNet Follow the links for the people associated with the project and the links for which they provide for themselves. Note avatars, profile backgrounds, and posts.
- 9991 3y ago
  Your comment would be better if you could link to a source or proof. And more specifics, what exactly did they do? BUT! Even stipulating everything you said is true does not mean we shouldn’t support Lemmy. Open source code can live or die on its own merits. To punish them in one area because of political views in another is another toxic manifestation of cancel culture.
  - bioemerl 3y ago
    It takes like 10 minutes for you to go look at the Lemmy.ml instance and see what's going on there. Someone else linked to the GitHub project and said just click on some of their profiles. You'll see it right away. You can ask for sources if you're curious, that's understandable, but it seems to me more like you're just trying to discredit here. Anyone reading this, I urge you, go to lemmy.ML, look at one of the threads they have about China. > To punish them in one area because of political views in another is another toxic manifestation of cancel culture. More like basic common sense. Are you going to trust people who support authoritarian censorship with the open source platform you speak on? That would be as silly as trusting the NSA to build it. There is a fundamental and irreconcilable conflict of interest there. This isn't punishing someone in one area because of their views in another, this is an area in which those views are simply not acceptable at all.
breakyerself 3y ago
I've been using Lemmy since the blackout started and I love it. I'm not going back to reddit ever.
- jrepinc 3y ago
  Same here, and to hell with my 125k reddit karma, not worth supporting such a rotten CEO and a platform which is not opensource, and centralised.
  - vmachiel 3y ago
    I remember when he first took over and he was all like: “I’m gonna listen to the community and do and AMA often”. Beginning of this year they told devs: we’re not gonna mess with the API situation anytime soon. And then they did, but he: it makes sense and I’m sure the pricing will be reasonable. Then the last three months happened. I’ve rarely seen goodwill burned so quickly.
friend_and_foe 3y ago
> On another topic, there are rumors circulating that we are fascists or supported genocide. Nope, theyre communists that supported genocide. > Regarding development, we are happy to collaborate with anyone who is willing to put in the work, regardless of politics. That's new. I guess they've grown as people. Anyway, I'm very happy to see use of Lemmy exploding at the expense of Reddit, and am personally a very satisfied Lemmy user. I'm glad to see it exist, like I've said before, we all have our own reasons to want to see this thing become reality. I wish those two the best and hope to see them complete this difficult project and create something truly compelling.
- karmakurtisaani 3y ago
  >Nope, theyre communists that supported genocide. Show me where they have supported genocide.
  - friend_and_foe 3y ago
    lemmy.ml and lemmygrad are chock full of instances of them and many others discussing the merits of the great leap forward and holodomor.
    - karmakurtisaani 3y ago
      And what's the developers' relation to those instances?
      - friend_and_foe 3y ago
        They're the admins. Go to those sites and see for yourself.
        karmakurtisaani 3y ago
        At least they are not in lemmygrad. They are in lemmy.ml, but I have yet to see genocide denial/endorsement there.
drumhead 3y ago
I think lemmy can work for if you want to move your sub across, it may never replace the monolithic reddit but its an adequate replacement for people that want to discuss a specific topic. It can work as an ok substitute.
ranguna 3y ago
The fediverse is an ok alternative for some people, but not all. Just the past few days I was troubleshooting some Linux issues with my new installation and 90% of the useful search results I found were from reddit. If global text search is not implemented on the fediverse, then it's just gonna be useful for twitter like content, not reddit content.
- rchaud 3y ago
  Reddit has a 16-year head start in domain authority, search engines will be obviously do a better job of indexing their pages than a mostly new service. In time, alternative sources will be indexed and visible in search results as well.
  - shagie 3y ago
    Duplicated content across multiple sites, different names, lack of canonical sources ( https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/consolidate-duplicate-urls https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/... ), not exactly SEO friendly urls (.../post/{int} vs .../r/sub/comments/{id}/title_of_post/ ), As long as those issues persist (and the post title is likely a hard one), Reddit will always have an advantage since it's built to be more SEO friendly. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/261 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/261 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1285 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1285
    - GabeIsko 3y ago
      Reddit may be more SEO friendly for now, but if it's content suffers and search results are degraded, search engines will probably to look to change how they rank results.
      - shagie 3y ago
        The first problem to fix - https://pagespeed.web.dev/analysis/https-lemmy-world-post-231236/9o7dcgqp43?form_factor=desktop https://pagespeed.web.dev/analysis/https-lemmy-world-post-23... > Links are not crawlable > To appear in search results, crawlers need access to your app. Without that resolved, it really doesn't matter.

210 points by roskelld 3y ago

> The number of monthly active users has increased over 25 times, from 1.000 to 27.000. That’s incredibly lower than I expected…

satvikpendem 3y ago
That is about what I expected, honestly. Only the people who really care will migrate, just as with Mastodon. The vast majority don't care and will continue using Reddit.
- littlestymaar 3y ago
  > The vast majority don't care and will continue using Reddit. You forget the third category of people, the ones who'll just mostly stop using Reddit without seeking a 1-to-1 alternative.
  - satvikpendem 3y ago
    That's also a small minority of people, they'd have to care about third party apps which are already a minority and also walk away from using the site, which can be hard if you already use it heavily, which it's likely that third party users do so. For example, I've been using third party apps for years but I downloaded the official app because I honestly don't care about the client I use for a particular site.
    - littlestymaar 3y ago
      Time will tell, but third-party apps users (and old.reddit's[1] ones) also tend to be the most prolific users, and it's the posters and admin that run the show. [1]: they've already removed i.reddit earlier this year, I don't expect old.reddit to make it to 2024.
      - shagie 3y ago
        From a sub with reasonable traffic non-tech sub that I moderate... Normally I have ~75 new subscribers per day and less than 5 unsubscribes per day. Just prior to the strike, the subscribers dropped to ~35. At the start of the strike, unsubscribes went up to ~10 while new subscribers went up to ~100. During the strike, the number of new subscribers went up to ~175. Other subs with a similar topics (and the big one) had gone private during that time. I'm back to ~75 new subscribers per day. As to old vs other... page views per day for the past 30 days (very spiky) and the previous 30 days Past 30 days | Previous 30 days Client Low High | Low High old.reddit: ~35 ~100 | ~25 ~75 new.reddit: ~200 ~900 | ~200 ~400 Mobile web: ~100 ~300 | ~100 ~150 Android client: ~1000 ~2000 | ~1000 ~1500 iOS client: ~2000 ~6000 | ~2000 ~3000 Total: ~2500 ~9500 | ~3000 ~5000 The past 30 days have been very spiky. Not just a little, but very. The previous timeframe was very regular. Old.reddit... yea, it doesn't have the numbers at all, though I'll note that most people using the sub appear to be people browsing on their phone as even new.reddit isn't that much higher than old.reddit stats. I'm gonna say though, that for a sub that is for "regular people" - the most prolific users aren't 3rd party apps or old.reddit. At least not with with the people who browse this sub. Now, for a tech oriented very low traffic sub... (and looking at its stats, it went way up during the strike since the high traffic ones closed from less than 500 page views to about 1500). Normally it gets a subscriber a day with 5 new subscribers being a significant growth... there were 55 new subscribers during the strike. Past 7 days | Previous 30 days Client Low High | Low High old.reddit: ~25 ~75 | ~10 ~60 new.reddit: ~400 ~600 | ~75 ~475 Mobile web: ~150 ~250 | ~30 ~150 Android client: ~125 ~350 | ~25 ~100 iOS client: ~400 ~700 | ~25 ~250 Total: ~1000 ~1500 | ~175 ~1000 New.reddit seems to be the preferred client there, though its such a small sample that its difficult to say much. The API appears/is believed to to show up under mobile web as the bucket - along with people still using the mobile web client. The page served to a browser pretending to be an iPhone is doing calls against the newish gql.reddit.com APIs.
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- drivebycomment 3y ago
  Unsurprising at all. The lack or the reduction of 3rd part app and API access does not affect the vast majority of reddit users who use the official website and the official app. The vocal minority is unlikely to convince the majority users to boycott. The moderators who choose to keep any subreddit private extended period of time is effectively choosing to slowly kill off their subreddit, after which a replacement subreddit is likely to just spring forward and replace. I think this whole saga is emotional and irrational response.
  - kgwxd 3y ago
    Emotional, yes. Irrational, no. There’s only one legal move the users and mods have to maybe make a difference.
    - drivebycomment 3y ago
      Irrational because there's no path and clear leverage that helps them get to the purported end-goal. It is more like a tantrum than a strategic calculated response, which makes it more irrational than rational.
    - satvikpendem 3y ago
      The only legal move is to quit reddit entirely.
- Donald 3y ago
  Reddit is very bizarre right now. Most of the active users are non-power users who are flummoxed at why mods have shut down their favorite subreddits. They are complaining in droves. Lots of long-winded Facebook boomer-style rants about how they read the subreddit with their kids and they need it back up to entertain them. Some subs are protesting the spez moderator removal threat by changing the topic of the sub entirely. Meanwhile, most of the content producers seem to have fled the site and latest high quality serious content is a week old at this point. I don’t see how Reddit recovers from this without losing a great deal of value for their shareholders. I’m expecting Huffman to resign based on how much he has damaged their monetization potential with advertisers.
  - kitsunesoba 3y ago
    Loss of the primary content creators is serious, more than I think most realize. Without active serious creators you end up with nothing but an endless feed of endlessly recycled memes. Reddit was already trending that direction anyway with repost bots posting almost as much as real users, and creators leaving will only accelerate the process.
    - satvikpendem 3y ago
      > Without active serious creators you end up with nothing but an endless feed of endlessly recycled memes. This is what drives the most eyeballs to ads though. Reddit simply wants to be like Instagram with memes, not an actual text-based discussion forum.
      - ramraj07 3y ago
        But now their serious competition is 9gag not quora or some other site. Most of my regular friends started using Reddit not just for the memes but the text based ones (like AITA, BORU) and local subs. Good luck making them look good with a large fraction of creators and good mods leaving.
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- seba_dos1 3y ago
  Reddit relies on having users that care though. Without them, all it can do is just to enshitten itself.
  - freddie_mercury 3y ago
    No, Reddit relies on people needing to mindlessly scroll, barely reading even the headlines, all to fill up minutes in an empty existence. "Caring" doesn't feature highly. The 35 million members of /r/aww aren't there because they care deeply about something.
    - bluGill 3y ago
      The people who care are posting content for the rest who scroll. The scrollers is where the money is, but the posters are why they exist.
- mcmoor 3y ago
  Also people who move because they like their 3PA won't move to another platform that also don't have good mobile app.
- hanniabu 3y ago
  When we have actually decentralized apps I believe we'll see much better adoption. The fediverse has all the worse parts of decentralization with none of the benefits. For example you can go to another instance where a community is mirrored and create an account with the same username as a prominent poster and impersonate them.
- rg111 3y ago
  Mastodon is unusable to me because I need two accounts to be parts of the math community and programming community. N accounts for N interests I have. Doesn't work for me. Reddit had subs. With one acocunt, I could sub to any number of interests. Twitter is flat. Again, I can get content from all areas of interest fron one account.
  - BaseballPhysics 3y ago
    Huh? What makes you think that? If you set up an account on a Lemmy instance, you can subscribe to communities on any other instance. You absolutely do not need an account on each server. Thats kinda that whole point of the fediverse. Heck, you can even follow Lemmy communities from a Mastodon server, or a Calckey instance, since they all talk ActivityPub. Edit: ahh, I just noticed I misread the parent post, as they are talking about Mastodon, not Lemmy. Of course my comment also largely applies to Mastodon, save that you follow people instead of whole communities. Yes, that means you really have to build a good followed list to get the most out of it.
    - shagie 3y ago
      Short of following everyone on the other instance, the "local" view on each likely has people that you aren't following. You can't get the "what's the buzz on the other one?" from viewing the home, local, or federated views. Additionally, the discoverability of your content on one server depends on it getting followed and people watching the federated feed rather than local or home feeds (and when people on the site are following other sites, your content is difficult to be discovered). The federated feed is a firehose that goes too fast for discovery. The local feed is domain/subject/theme appropriate and where most people likely browse content. Your content would only show up in the local feed of the other if someone on that other one boosted it which implies that they discovered it on the other instance and followed your account there. If you post something math related on the programming instance, the only way for it to show up in the local feed of the math instance is for someone to boost it there. Short of having someone boosting everything that you want to say on the other topic on the other instance, it might be less friction to maintain multiple accounts. That's not the way that it "should" work, but that's the way that people are using it. The "town square" of the local feed is where interesting things happen.
- onion2k 3y ago
  The vast majority don't care and will continue using Reddit. Some (eg me) will just stop using Reddit. I didn't need an alternative, I needed a reason to stop. The blackout gave me that.
  - basch 3y ago
    The user interface has gotten so bad, it doesn’t really feel like quitting, moreso that the product is already gone. Alien Blue, Apollo, old. They’ve made such a trash product, that’s so unpleasant to use, it’s more like escape than quit.
SkyPuncher 3y ago
Even considering people distributed to several different platforms, those numbers are just aren’t that damning to Reddit. 27k is nothing.
- tapoxi 3y ago
  It's not nothing, it's 27k. There's a point at which a social network has enough content to be usable. Reddit (to me) hasn't significantly increased in value since I started using it 15 years ago. People post the same links. Some of the conversations are a little better. The spam and reposting is a lot worse.
  - SkyPuncher 3y ago
    It’s big for Lemmy, but it’s nothing for Reddit. If the Reddit blackout were serious, I’d expect that number to be a jump to 1M+. Just to put things in perspective, I mod’s a sub with 20k subscribers. I literally took 5 mod actions in the years that I was a mod. There just isn’t enough activity. 27k is great for Lemmy, but it’s not enough to change their trajectory.
    - tapoxi 3y ago
      It doesn't need to change Reddit's trajectory, it only needs to exist as a viable alternative. Here we are on HN, and HN isn't nearly as big as Reddit either but still a valuable platform, significantly better than r/technology. More users doesn't equal better content.
    - lolinder 3y ago
      > If the Reddit blackout were serious I don't know about you, but my web searches have been severely hamstrung by the blackout, so it looks like a lot of subs are still taking it seriously. There is so much content that is now gone and inaccessible, Reddit's bounce rate on Google has to be through the roof. It's not that the blackout isn't serious, it's that Lemmy isn't yet a viable alternative for most people.
- slimsag 3y ago
tramtrist 3y ago
https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy
brutal_chaos_ 3y ago
yes, and the moderation problems will start July 1st. 26k is nothing, for sure, to Reddit. But every movement starts small. For now, Reddit doesn't have to worry and Lemmy can up their game. Also, what about kbin numbers? How many have stopped using Reddit, but didn't switch networks? This one number doesn't mean much since Lemmy isn't Reddit's only problem.
hanniabu 3y ago
That's only one instance
- binwiederhier 3y ago
  It seems to be all instances actually, see https://the-federation.info/platform/73 https://the-federation.info/platform/73 and click on "Active last month". That's quite shocking. I run a push notification service and have ~25k daily active users, and it runs on a single 2 core machine with 2 GB RAM. I'm not saying that it's easy to run a service for so many users, but the largest of the Lemmy instance has ~3k users. That's super small, and a lot smaller than expected.
  - zmmmmm 3y ago
    Very surprising indeed. I suppose one can look not just at the absolute numbers right now (or whenever those stats are from) but at the gradient and extrapolate forward. If they can sustain anything like that rate of signups for even a week or two they'll start to hit interesting numbers.
Zetice 3y ago
Just another example of why this whole Reddit "blackout" isn't related to what most Redditors actually care about.
- UberFly 3y ago
  Well, a hell of a lot of the Redditors on mobile do care about the changes so I'm not sure who your comment is directed at.
  - Sharlin 3y ago
    Still a small minority. Most Reddit users use the official app and don’t even know that there are others.
  - Zetice 3y ago
    Prove it. Every single number I see shows a very tiny vocal minority trying to speak for a silent majority who does not care.
- jmye 3y ago
  Because they didn’t move en masse to a mediocre alternative? That’s a pretty disingenuous reading of this report.
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MisterBastahrd 3y ago
Ya'll really thought that there'd be some sort of mass migration? Tell you what, go find a subreddit like r/nba which has been locked down for days and find the thread where mods are reopening the subreddit. See what the mood is among the users. People here and moderators there have GREATLY misread the mood of the people on the platform. Even worse, in many subreddits, the moderators were still posting to their own subs and forgot to clean up after themselves.
zmmmmm 3y ago
They might just be counting their instance. These things get way more complicated to figure out in a federated world (which is actually good in some respects). There are at least half a dozen instances where people are going to. EDIT: someone posted below some stats showing it's at least roughly counting all instances. Quite surprising though I wonder if it's lagging a bit. Also keep in mind, for a good amount of time during the blackout they were down or had registration closed.

defrost 3y ago

> On another topic, there are rumors circulating that we are fascists or supported genocide. There's one of the major milestones in the evolution of a social media network right there. Congratulations! (?)

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- defrost 3y ago
  Fair point if true. There's no shortage of those that unironically support mass murder from western states either; personally I'd be happy to see the back of all of them.
- zmmmmm 3y ago
  That's the sort of allegation that probably shouldn't be just bandied about without some kind of supporting evidence. Do you have any source?
  - m00x 3y ago
    I'm new to all of this, but it is worrisome that one of the main dev's github portrait is Fidel Castro. https://github.com/Nutomic https://github.com/Nutomic
  - croutonwagon 3y ago
    Here’s a thread with some sources https://lemmyonline.com/post/2866 https://lemmyonline.com/post/2866 Here’s one such comment that has some links. https://lemmyonline.com/comment/17761 https://lemmyonline.com/comment/17761
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gmuslera 3y ago

This bring me memories of when Google Reader closed. The existing back then alternatives got hammered badly by the relatively sudden massive influx of new users. Still the numbers are low, and what users will find is something different from what they used to, but I think the more diverse landscape will push a change in how people use internet to connect each other and to content, beyond reddit/lemmy/etc kind of usage.

mock-possum 3y ago
Aw man RIP google reader. That’s the only reason I’m on feedly now
dingaling 3y ago
> This bring me memories of when Google Reader closed Which ironically was a service that centralised consumption of RSS, something that was designed to be decentralised. It was alarming to watch adoption of Google Reader simply because it was more convenient than running one's own RSS client.

Dennip 3y ago

Maybe its just me but I'm not a massive fan of the lemmy 'front-page', it feels too squashed horizontally, and also too vertically spaced-out. The font feels too big, Or maybe I just hate all change and want it to look more like old.reddit.com...

zmmmmm 3y ago
Yup. It's the main thing making me want to use kbin.social. Even there I had to use Stylebot to force a wider layout but the default is much better. I can't quite understand what the obsession with narrow layouts is these days. It's not like most of these sites don't have separate mobile layouts. Are they really just lazy about design and can't be bothered testing reflow of their text?
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praisewhitey 3y ago
I understand why in 2023 running Lemmy (Rust) over Kbin (PHP) is more appealing, but Kbin looks and feels much nicer to me.
- kaba0 3y ago
  I have been trying out Tildes and I absolutely love their UI/UX! It’s minimal, very easy to read, yet offers great functionality. I think it can also be used with JS disabled. HN could learn a bit from it (at least make the collapse button a slightly bigger target for mobile)
  - cassianoleal 3y ago
    > make the collapse button a slightly bigger target And the vote arrows! People downvote when they wanted to upvote and vice-versa.
- antifa 3y ago
  What are some other reasons to choose kbin over lemmy?

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treme 3y ago

FOSS needs to teach basic marketing 101. Content first on landing page. Not "what's an instance?"

the-grump 3y ago
FOSS 101: you don't like it, send a patch.
- Uehreka 3y ago
  I’m not submitting a patch to something if I don’t know what it is.
  - andrewstuart2 3y ago
    We have a saying for that too involving reading the manual.
    - bluefirebrand 3y ago
      The amount of times I've been told "Read the manual" and then the link to the manual was down, or the manual was out of date, or the manual was so disorganized I couldn't find what I was looking for far outnumbers the times a manual was useful. My guess is people who angrily retort "rtfm" are not the best at actually writing manuals.
      - bluGill 3y ago
        That is your sign to figure out the answer and fix the manual. This is often the most needed contribution. If you do well your feature requests are get priority as you are an active contributor.
      - jancsika 3y ago
        Ooh, I got this one: > The amount of times I've been told "Read the manual" and then the link to the manual was down, Patches accepted for fixing links so you can read the fucking manual. > or the manual was out of date, This is deb-old-doc list, the mailing list for archiving vintage manuals. To discuss out-of-date manuals in current versions of Debian you must subscribe to deb-doc-old > or the manual was so disorganized I couldn't find what I was looking for far outnumbers the times a manual was useful. Did you file a bug report? > My guess is people who angrily retort "rtfm" are not the best at actually writing manuals. It's possible. On the other hand: you don't exist. Go away. How'd I do? :)

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faangsticle 3y ago

> If you host your own instance, we have no control over it at all and are unable to censor what users say. Well, except for when you program the software that way. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1224#issuecomment-714886485 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1224#issuecomment-7...

TaylorAlexander 3y ago
Okay, the software has a slur filter built in. Seems great! I also assume users of their own instance can remove that, but this might affect visibility on other hosts.
- faangsticle 3y ago
  The discussion is about making it configurable, which was rejected.
  - lolinder 3y ago
    It was made configurable just over a year later. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/main/RELEASES.md#lemmy-release-v0140-federation-with-mastodon-and-pleroma-2021-11-17 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/main/RELEASES.md#lemm...
nyanpasu64 3y ago
Hilariously a year after saying they would never remove the slur filter, they did just that in 0.14 (https://lemmy.ml/post/89740 https://lemmy.ml/post/89740). I'm not sure if that's a good look or not.
- imiric 3y ago
  It's definitely an improvement. Instances should be allowed to moderate speech however they want to. Good software is continuously improved. Criticizing the authors for an arguably wrong design decision they've corrected years ago is vengeful and petty. It's no different than the viral rumors spread by the Mastodon thread TFA mentions. This is abhorrent behavior that has no place in the open source community.

rrssh 3y ago

> Such slander doesn’t deserve any response and is best left ignored. Don't preach to me something you don't do. It's reserved for... nobody gets to do it to me actually.

lopkeny12ko 3y ago

> We are individuals with our own opinions. If you disagree with these, it is no problem! You can still freely use the Lemmy software on different instances. If you host your own instance, we have no control over it at all and are unable to censor what users say. Love this! This is the true spirit of FOSS software, and I hope more projects adopt this ethos. Don't like how it works? Stop complaining and fork it. Don't like how it's being operated? Stop complaining and host your own instance!

safety1st 3y ago
Also, for those of us who are strictly users and are not likely to contribute, we don't have to take sides in anything. 1. Use the RSS client of your choice 2. Go to a master list of all federated Lemmy communities e.g. https://lemmy.world/communities/listing_type/All/page/1 https://lemmy.world/communities/listing_type/All/page/1 3. Click through to any community on any instance that looks interesting and add its RSS feed to your client. I don't know precisely what the future of Lemmy will be, I wish them well because they've produced a cool piece of software which is more open than Reddit and puts RSS front and center. But for the time being I simply have some Lemmy feeds right next to the old.reddit.com feeds in my RSS reader, pure win for me as a user. My universe grew and I don't have to have a horse in anyone's race. This is why we RSS.
- eviks 3y ago
  How do you like and reply in RSS?
  - jochem9 3y ago
    Well, OP already states that RSS is solely for people who only consume, not contribute. So no voting or commenting. Then again, I have hacker news in my RSS feed and get a link to both the article and comment thread. That's how I'm now able to reply to your comment. Not sure if Lemmy (or reddit) support this out of the box as well.
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0x53 3y ago
I haven’t really heard of Lemmy before. Do you have additional information about the creators support of China?
- bioemerl 3y ago
  There are a few examples elsewhere in this thread where people have linked to supporting evidence. It's really obvious as well if you just go to the website and browse for a bit but it's infested with tankies, and has the support of the developers.
- shagie 3y ago
  The GitHub project is https://github.com/LemmyNet https://github.com/LemmyNet Follow the links for the people associated with the project and the links for which they provide for themselves. Note avatars, profile backgrounds, and posts.
9991 3y ago
Your comment would be better if you could link to a source or proof. And more specifics, what exactly did they do? BUT! Even stipulating everything you said is true does not mean we shouldn’t support Lemmy. Open source code can live or die on its own merits. To punish them in one area because of political views in another is another toxic manifestation of cancel culture.
- bioemerl 3y ago
  It takes like 10 minutes for you to go look at the Lemmy.ml instance and see what's going on there. Someone else linked to the GitHub project and said just click on some of their profiles. You'll see it right away. You can ask for sources if you're curious, that's understandable, but it seems to me more like you're just trying to discredit here. Anyone reading this, I urge you, go to lemmy.ML, look at one of the threads they have about China. > To punish them in one area because of political views in another is another toxic manifestation of cancel culture. More like basic common sense. Are you going to trust people who support authoritarian censorship with the open source platform you speak on? That would be as silly as trusting the NSA to build it. There is a fundamental and irreconcilable conflict of interest there. This isn't punishing someone in one area because of their views in another, this is an area in which those views are simply not acceptable at all.

breakyerself 3y ago

I've been using Lemmy since the blackout started and I love it. I'm not going back to reddit ever.

jrepinc 3y ago
Same here, and to hell with my 125k reddit karma, not worth supporting such a rotten CEO and a platform which is not opensource, and centralised.
- vmachiel 3y ago
  I remember when he first took over and he was all like: “I’m gonna listen to the community and do and AMA often”. Beginning of this year they told devs: we’re not gonna mess with the API situation anytime soon. And then they did, but he: it makes sense and I’m sure the pricing will be reasonable. Then the last three months happened. I’ve rarely seen goodwill burned so quickly.

friend_and_foe 3y ago

> On another topic, there are rumors circulating that we are fascists or supported genocide. Nope, theyre communists that supported genocide. > Regarding development, we are happy to collaborate with anyone who is willing to put in the work, regardless of politics. That's new. I guess they've grown as people. Anyway, I'm very happy to see use of Lemmy exploding at the expense of Reddit, and am personally a very satisfied Lemmy user. I'm glad to see it exist, like I've said before, we all have our own reasons to want to see this thing become reality. I wish those two the best and hope to see them complete this difficult project and create something truly compelling.

karmakurtisaani 3y ago
>Nope, theyre communists that supported genocide. Show me where they have supported genocide.
- friend_and_foe 3y ago
  lemmy.ml and lemmygrad are chock full of instances of them and many others discussing the merits of the great leap forward and holodomor.
  - karmakurtisaani 3y ago
    And what's the developers' relation to those instances?
    - friend_and_foe 3y ago
      They're the admins. Go to those sites and see for yourself.
      - karmakurtisaani 3y ago
        At least they are not in lemmygrad. They are in lemmy.ml, but I have yet to see genocide denial/endorsement there.

drumhead 3y ago

I think lemmy can work for if you want to move your sub across, it may never replace the monolithic reddit but its an adequate replacement for people that want to discuss a specific topic. It can work as an ok substitute.

ranguna 3y ago

The fediverse is an ok alternative for some people, but not all. Just the past few days I was troubleshooting some Linux issues with my new installation and 90% of the useful search results I found were from reddit. If global text search is not implemented on the fediverse, then it's just gonna be useful for twitter like content, not reddit content.

rchaud 3y ago
Reddit has a 16-year head start in domain authority, search engines will be obviously do a better job of indexing their pages than a mostly new service. In time, alternative sources will be indexed and visible in search results as well.
- shagie 3y ago
  Duplicated content across multiple sites, different names, lack of canonical sources ( https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/consolidate-duplicate-urls https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/... ), not exactly SEO friendly urls (.../post/{int} vs .../r/sub/comments/{id}/title_of_post/ ), As long as those issues persist (and the post title is likely a hard one), Reddit will always have an advantage since it's built to be more SEO friendly. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/261 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/261 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1285 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1285
  - GabeIsko 3y ago
    Reddit may be more SEO friendly for now, but if it's content suffers and search results are degraded, search engines will probably to look to change how they rank results.
    - shagie 3y ago
      The first problem to fix - https://pagespeed.web.dev/analysis/https-lemmy-world-post-231236/9o7dcgqp43?form_factor=desktop https://pagespeed.web.dev/analysis/https-lemmy-world-post-23... > Links are not crawlable > To appear in search results, crawlers need access to your app. Without that resolved, it really doesn't matter.