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Like scroll direction, having a sim card in your phone, using accepted standard cables, giving users access to their own files, using standardized file formats,

Like scroll direction, having a sim card in your phone, using accepted standard cables, giving users access to their own files, using standardized file formats, etc. These guys abuse their users and somehow they believe Apple cares about them. Not sure when everyone will wake up and realize that arbitrary change isn't better than expected behavior. I guess when the industry points "AI" at generating OSes then Apple will start questioning their decisions to stay viable in a sea of clones that actually "just work" as expected. Until then they'll just keep treating their users like crap.

mahathu 3y ago
The default scroll direction on macOS absolutely makes sense from a UX perspective. On a phone, you scroll up by physically touching the same display your content is on, so you have to move your finger down on the screen, which makes sense on phones but not on computers where the content is separate from the touchpad.
- abeyer 3y ago
  Which is exactly why it shouldn't be modeled as manipulating the content, but rather the viewport/scroll thumb.
  - Tagbert 3y ago
    But why does that argue for “opposite” scrolling? Why add an extra layer of abstraction for no benefit other than habit?
- oblio 3y ago
  We've had "down to scroll down" on desktops back when smartphones were still Sci-fi.
  - Tagbert 3y ago
    The old scroll direction was tied to pushing the scroll bar button up to move the screen down. “Natural” scrolling ties the movement to the window content and makes much more sense once you get over the old habit. I took me about half a day to adjust.
jcrash 3y ago
> scroll direction Easily changed with System settings or with an app (ScrollReverser) > SIM card Unnecessary in 2023 > cables True, but MagSafe exists, I never plug in my phone anymore > file access macOS and iOS both have access to files, this is outdated > file formats Not a real issue, macOS can handle plenty of formats I think you are just an Apple hater. When’s the last time you used one of their devices? I used a thinkpad t420 running Debian for the last 7 years, and recently got a Mac… blows it out of the water in usability. It LITERALLY ‘just works’. I like Linux and still run an Ubuntu desktop, but I got to a point in life where I didn’t want to have to fiddle with my OS just to get things to work right. macOS is for people like that. I don’t feel like I’m being “treated like crap” .. lol where are you getting that from?

mahathu 3y ago

The default scroll direction on macOS absolutely makes sense from a UX perspective. On a phone, you scroll up by physically touching the same display your content is on, so you have to move your finger down on the screen, which makes sense on phones but not on computers where the content is separate from the touchpad.

abeyer 3y ago
Which is exactly why it shouldn't be modeled as manipulating the content, but rather the viewport/scroll thumb.
- Tagbert 3y ago
  But why does that argue for “opposite” scrolling? Why add an extra layer of abstraction for no benefit other than habit?
oblio 3y ago
We've had "down to scroll down" on desktops back when smartphones were still Sci-fi.
- Tagbert 3y ago
  The old scroll direction was tied to pushing the scroll bar button up to move the screen down. “Natural” scrolling ties the movement to the window content and makes much more sense once you get over the old habit. I took me about half a day to adjust.

jcrash 3y ago

> scroll direction Easily changed with System settings or with an app (ScrollReverser) > SIM card Unnecessary in 2023 > cables True, but MagSafe exists, I never plug in my phone anymore > file access macOS and iOS both have access to files, this is outdated > file formats Not a real issue, macOS can handle plenty of formats I think you are just an Apple hater. When’s the last time you used one of their devices? I used a thinkpad t420 running Debian for the last 7 years, and recently got a Mac… blows it out of the water in usability. It LITERALLY ‘just works’. I like Linux and still run an Ubuntu desktop, but I got to a point in life where I didn’t want to have to fiddle with my OS just to get things to work right. macOS is for people like that. I don’t feel like I’m being “treated like crap” .. lol where are you getting that from?