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Have you tried C#? It looks a lot nicer to work with than Java.

by winrid 3y ago

watermelon59 3y ago
The ecosystem is nowhere near as mature though. I don’t work with either anymore but back in 2017 I made the switch from C# to Java and it felt like a breath of fresh air when it came to the maturity and capability of JVM tooling compared to what’s available for .NET.
- ablob 3y ago
  I'm curious, what kind of tooling are we talking about?
- winrid 3y ago
  Interesting. Did you try Jetbrains Rider as an IDE?
- acedTrex 3y ago
  The dotnet ecosystem is incredibly mature. Its as old as java in most tooling cases, IDE, Language, Build System etc. The runtime is the newish part.
  - kaba0 3y ago
    The ecosystem is certainly more mature than many smaller languages, but it is still in a different league than Java’s. Most of it is not too great copies of the corresponding Java library, often being made by Microsoft only, with plenty of paid options while in the java world all of it is open-source and free, while offering a much wider selection. Also, you will find a java library for that random new tech you want to use, while it is likely missing for .NET.
- NBJack 3y ago
  Try JetBrains Rider, and be sure you are using a recent flavor of dotnet. When I migrated past 4.x to 6 of the .Net ecosystem, it dramatically improved my ability to work and deploy in C# with their rather delightful build system. For example, in the Monogame game library, you can build a self contained binary for Windows, Linux or MacOSX nearly effortlessly with just a single command line.
  - soonnow 3y ago
    But these executables are quite huge, are they not?
    - maximilianburke 3y ago
      Could it be any worse than an Electron application?
soonnow 3y ago
I'm using C# and Java professionally. I've been using for a long time while I'm newish on C#. Also I'm on a older version of .net vs. a modern Java. Honestly to me the language doesn't feel that great. It always feels sluggish, to work with, like I'm fighting against the language. And then there is the ecosystem, Spring Boot is just such a breeze to get a web app running with all the integrations you could ever want being just there. Add in Lombok and Apache commons and it's a real pleasure to develop in Java for me.

Have you tried C#? It looks a lot nicer to work with than Java.

by winrid 3y ago

Have you tried C#? It looks a lot nicer to work with than Java.

The ecosystem is nowhere near as mature though. I don’t work with either anymore but back in 2017 I made the switch from C# to Java and it felt like a breath of fresh air when it came to the maturity and capability of JVM tooling compared to what’s available for .NET.

ablob 3y ago
I'm curious, what kind of tooling are we talking about?
winrid 3y ago
Interesting. Did you try Jetbrains Rider as an IDE?
acedTrex 3y ago
The dotnet ecosystem is incredibly mature. Its as old as java in most tooling cases, IDE, Language, Build System etc. The runtime is the newish part.
- kaba0 3y ago
  The ecosystem is certainly more mature than many smaller languages, but it is still in a different league than Java’s. Most of it is not too great copies of the corresponding Java library, often being made by Microsoft only, with plenty of paid options while in the java world all of it is open-source and free, while offering a much wider selection. Also, you will find a java library for that random new tech you want to use, while it is likely missing for .NET.
NBJack 3y ago
Try JetBrains Rider, and be sure you are using a recent flavor of dotnet. When I migrated past 4.x to 6 of the .Net ecosystem, it dramatically improved my ability to work and deploy in C# with their rather delightful build system. For example, in the Monogame game library, you can build a self contained binary for Windows, Linux or MacOSX nearly effortlessly with just a single command line.
- soonnow 3y ago
  But these executables are quite huge, are they not?
  - maximilianburke 3y ago
    Could it be any worse than an Electron application?

soonnow 3y ago

I'm using C# and Java professionally. I've been using for a long time while I'm newish on C#. Also I'm on a older version of .net vs. a modern Java. Honestly to me the language doesn't feel that great. It always feels sluggish, to work with, like I'm fighting against the language. And then there is the ecosystem, Spring Boot is just such a breeze to get a web app running with all the integrations you could ever want being just there. Add in Lombok and Apache commons and it's a real pleasure to develop in Java for me.