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It might be that in China there's not a strong opensource culture. Here's a video from Naomi Wu dragging umidigy into compliance where she talks about the issue
by StingyJelly 3y ago
It might be that in China there's not a strong opensource culture. Here's a video from Naomi Wu dragging umidigy into compliance where she talks about the issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj04MKykmnQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj04MKykmnQ
- lockhouse 3y agoChinese culture doesn’t respect intellectual property in general, why would they treat open source licenses any differently?
- kevin_thibedeau 3y agoThose computers took a fairly significant effort to design, source components, and run through manufacturing. You'd think at some point they'd be self aware enough that the open source they're adulterating also required similar levels of gratis effort and should be afforded some respect.
- cdumler 3y agoIf you looking into Chinese culture [1][2], it is astonishingly autocratic. Creativity is frowned on, and criticizing superiors is nearly impossible. There is a very strong "do what is asked, no questions" attitude. Business has very strong "nothing matters once I have your money" policy. I took South East Asian history in college, and Chinese culture is abundantly self-sabotaging. It was morbidly fascinating, which is why I took several courses on it. [1] https://www.youtube.com/@serpentza https://www.youtube.com/@serpentza [2] https://www.youtube.com/@laowhy86 https://www.youtube.com/@laowhy86
- codedokode 3y ago> Business has very strong "nothing matters once I have your money" policy. Western business now has adopted "nothing matters once I got your personal data" policy though. It seems that "nothing matters" policy is not restricted to Asia.
- philistine 3y agoOpening up to China has not made that country more Western, it could be argued it has made the world more Chinese.
- fnimick 3y agoSee also: VCs talking glowingly about how "productive" 996 makes Chinese companies and how US employees should be working similar hours to keep up. Greed knows no national boundaries, and the societal norms that kept it somewhat under control in the West are being rapidly eroded.
- throwaway2037 3y agoI cringe when I see the term "Western" vis-a-vis countries in East Asia. How does it sound if we say "modern"? That sounds better to me. Why? Then, it includes Korea, Japan, and Taiwan -- all very modern, but not at all "Western".
- philistine 3y agoI agree with your sentiment, but the collective delusion to open up to China was not an attempt to make it more modern. It truly was an attempt to westernize it. In the colonial, racist sense. The Allied powers wanted to westernize Japan and Korea as well after the second world war.
- raverbashing 3y agoMakes me wonder how much innovation would the west see again if only we got rid of IP lawyers
- Cullinet 3y agoCase law, at least in England and Wales, is on the side of whoever makes something out of disused or dormant designs and patents. The equitable ruling will always be made in favour of the technical infringer paying a reasonable royalty provided that use and application does not harm the rights owner.
- codedokode 3y agoI see a section with short vertical videos on Youtube that strongly resembles a certain Chinese mobile app. Could it be that those Chinese developers, not respecting intellectual property, are now working for Youtube? Or maybe not respecting intellectual property when it is profitable is just a worldwide tradition?
- TheLoafOfBread 3y agoCopying an idea is one thing. Outright stealing source code is on different level. i.e. See how Huawei got big - By copying hardware of Cisco routers and loading there Cisco firmware.
- Cullinet 3y agoYou can always check out the Huawei Github, here's some very interesting LTE modem firmware sources : https://github.com/Huawei-LTE-routers-mods/README https://github.com/Huawei-LTE-routers-mods/README
- circuit10 3y agoI remember seeing that the main activity or whatever it was of the YouTube app was called something like “YoutubeTiktokApplication” That wasn’t the exact name, I’ll try to find it, but it definitely had TikTok in the name I could also be wrong here because I was trying to patch it with ReVanced or something at the time so it could be related to the patcher I’m not saying that means they’re copying TikTok’s source code but it’s just an odd thing I wanted to share
- circuit10 3y agoSomeone downvoted me, it does sound odd but I think it was true, here’s someone else seeing the same thing: https://twitter.com/imShreyasPatil/status/1320399162651803648 https://twitter.com/imShreyasPatil/status/132039916265180364... However someone said this: “Tiktok is an internal component in Google used by many of the apps, it was written and named like that before the social network existed and is absolutely unrelated.”
- Zacharias030 3y agoWhat makes you think this is related to “chinese culture” as opposed to “circumstance”? Without qualification it looks like a great demonstration of the fundamental attribution error [0] and a very fashionable position to have in today’s western world. 0 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_erro...
- Cullinet 3y agoThe USA is a signatory to the Madrid Treaty Protocol governing international intellectual property rights, but never bothered to ratify it. What might a different country who has bothered to ratify the treaty and been subjected to litigation and trade enbargos at the behest of America maybe think about the behavioral example? There's just one example of a international famous trademark enforcement against American interests which is Societé Des Bains De Mer, the owners of the Monte Carlo Casino in Monaco in the 9th District in 2001. Just that solitary case of reciprocal enforcement.
- daneel_w 3y agoWhat's missing is the culture of respecting other nations' IP, on both commercial level and individual level. Their laws on enforcing IP are practically unilateral in the context of intl. relations.
- civilitty 3y agoHmmm where might have they learned that strategy? [1][2] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_gin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_gin [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution_in_the...
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- civilitty 3y agoI'm not apologetic, I'm just not accusatory.
- daneel_w 3y agoYou say that as if you've been living under a rock, completely unaware of China's operations against practically every nation on the planet.
- civilitty 3y agoYou mean all the developed nations’ operation to export almost all production capabilities to China for profit? Cause everyone knew exactly what they were doing when they signed onto those joint ventures that were barely disguised force tech transfers. We made our bed. No point in accusing China when we made it ourselves. Invest that jingoist energy into doing something about it!
- beached_whale 3y agoIt didn't really look like dragging but more informing and asking(not being a jerk about it too). As she said, there wasn't resistance, just past inertia.