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Interesting that the entire article had nothing to mention about the Reid technique [1]. The Reid technique has been used by law enforcement to convince crimina
by jbavari 3y ago
Interesting that the entire article had nothing to mention about the Reid technique [1]. The Reid technique has been used by law enforcement to convince criminals of confessions. Many confessions were found to be false. In the book by Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson [2], they cover false confessions in depth with a few court cases, as well as police techniques to invoke cognitive dissonance in the accused. Callout to the book though, for self-deception and cognitive dissonance is something that affects us all!
[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_technique https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_technique
[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistakes_Were_Made_(but_Not_by_Me) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistakes_Were_Made_(but_Not_by...
- antisthenes 3y agoI took a cursory look through the Reid technique. It's literally just modern gaslighting.
- swayvil 3y agoWell, it's a highly developed and systematized form of gaslighting. A significant technological advancement over the common amateur gaslighting. Like the machinegun isn't just another musket. Consider the progress of technology in the field of lying, bullshit and propaganda. We've been developing that stuff for literally thousands of years. It has surely been refined to such a height as to be nigh-perfectly secret, invisible and powerful.
- ImHereToVote 3y agoIt's a good thing it isn't used against the population at scale, huh.
- dandanua 3y agoAre you sure?
- tsimionescu 3y agoThat is exactly what they were implying.
- koboll 3y agoPretty illuminating that the origin story of the technique is it eliciting what was later revealed as a false confession that sentenced an innocent man to life in prison.
- sidewndr46 3y agoWouldn't that be considered evidence of techniques usefulness?
- aleph_minus_one 3y ago> The Reid technique has been used by law enforcement to convince criminals of confessions. Many confessions were found to be false. This is one reason among many why it is a serious question to ask whether a confession increases or actually rather decreases the likelihood that the culprit commited the crime.
- mbg721 3y agoThat only matters if the truth is a major consideration. Some theories of justice don't care, as long as social order is maintained.
- isaacremuant 3y agoWhich theories of justice? What countries are practicing this supposed theory? Because this greater good thing sounds earily similar like the end justifies the means, which could argue for decimating a whole village to catch criminals as long as "overall social order of a larger group is contained".
- mbg721 3y agoI think most countries practice some form of "order is better than truth", including the US. There are famous examples of US courts rejecting arguments on the basis that "just because you have proof that you were wrongly convicted doesn't give you standing to appeal".
- ant6n 3y agoCardassians. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribunal_(Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribunal_(Star_Trek:_Deep_Sp...
- madsbuch 3y ago> as long as social order is maintained That would rely on the participants believing that truth is the major consideration, right? If I knew that I would have to prove my innocence, that would lead to a lot of overhead for self surveillance and documentation. Ie. If the custom of just accepting false confessions becomes a widely accepted practice it could potentially lead to reduction of social order.
- TechBro8615 3y agoIf you're being interrogated by the police, you've already lost. The only word you should say is "lawyer." Here's what the ideal interrogation looks like: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6RoKvC1qcEY https://youtube.com/watch?v=6RoKvC1qcEY
- sidewndr46 3y agoSpecifically "I want a lawyer", not "I want a lawyer dog"
- Borrible 3y agoLaw Enforcement has an alignment problem?