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I wonder what is the definition of easily removable and replaceable. Does popping a few screws and using a specialized tool qualifies as easy? What about re-sea
by gevz 3y ago
I wonder what is the definition of easily removable and replaceable. Does popping a few screws and using a specialized tool qualifies as easy? What about re-sealing the device after to keep the waterproof rating?
- edhelas 3y agoI think you know the answer.
- epolanski 3y agoIs waterproof even a real needed feature? Like, I've been owning mobile phones for 22 years at this point and it's literally something I've never cared or benefitted from. On the other hand, having replaceable batteries is definitely something that's been useful in the past.
- martin8412 3y agoYes, it is a needed feature in humid environments.
- gsich 3y agoThat is not the same.
- chongli 3y agoAlso anywhere that drops below freezing in the winter. Coming indoors with an ice cold phone is going to cause tons of condensation. If the phone isn't sealed (or placed inside a sealed case) then water will get inside.
- epolanski 3y agoWait, are you saying that till few years ago non-waterproof phones broke more or something? Because that never happened.
- cududa 3y agoPhones cameras frequently were rendered useless before this, when humidity would seep in and condensation would form in the lense.
- saalweachter 3y agoHuh, really? I use my cell phone in the rain, I use my cell phone in the shower. I drop it in the mud and rinse it off in the sink. Waterproof is a top-tier feature, right up there with "not exploding the screen into a thousand shards when I drop it".
- hunter2_ 3y agoSome people live a life of random wetness, mud, and dropping things. Other people honestly do not. There should be products for both groups.
- epolanski 3y agoWell, when I shower I shower, I'm not distracted by a phone, and few drops of water under the rain have never done anything to any of my phones. Might be a top-tier feature for you, but it never made any difference to me.
- vel0city 3y agoI'm around pools and spas a good bit and like having my phone near me to do stuff like control music and be able to respond to events without needing to get out of the water. Pools have killed quite a few of my devices in the past. Just the other day I tripped while working around the pool and fell in (quite dangerous, for sure) and I had my phone in my pocket. If it wasn't waterproof, I'd be out a few hundred bucks from that accident. I also like to go hiking and camping a good bit. I've lost a few electronic devices from getting caught in a storm. Its nice having the peace of mind that it doesn't matter if I get completely soaked with my phone in my pocket. Finally, I have kids, and they're of the stage where its fun to throw things in toilets and in sinks.
- numpad0 3y agoIt probably has measurable impacts at manufacturers’ scale in repairs. Even if you didn’t consciously shower with a phone, it could rain which to a phone is same as owner taking it to a shower.
- cududa 3y agoI use my phone in the pool all the time during the summer, ever since they became water proof. Or take pictures in the lake, etc. As well, once a day I run my phone under the faucet while I wash my hands and give it a clean. I absolutely want my phone waterproof and happily will trade a user replaceable battery for a waterproof phone.
- FpUser 3y ago>"Is waterproof even a real needed feature?" Depends on one's lifestyle that can include hiking / cycling under heavy rain for example.
- halflings 3y agoYes it is. I had a phone accidentally fall in water 3-4 times, was pretty happy waterproof phones are a thing.
- tonyarkles 3y ago> literally something I've never cared or benefitted from I'm happy for you, for never having lost a phone due to an accidental encounter with water. I haven't lost one recently, but: - I fumbled an old flip phone while having a night out on the town and dropped it into the toilet. - I replaced it with a really cute small Kyocera candy bar phone, that my girlfriend at the time didn't notice was still in my pants pocket when she washed my pants (I'm not sure if waterproofing would have saved this...) - I recently dropped an iPhone 12 into a bathtub full of water and suffered 0 ill effects from it. If I had to choose between replaceable batteries and waterproofing, I'm not sure which I'd personally choose. I've changed internal batteries in a few phones over the years... it was a bit of a hassle, but kept a $1000 device alive for another year or two. The water-killed phones... there was no bringing them back to life.
- tstrimple 3y agoI'm not sure about the iPhone, but my AirPod Pros went through a wash / dry cycle on more than one occasion with no apparent loss in functionality.
- bluSCALE4 3y agoI think it's pretty necessary. I remember I went to a theme park and wanted to have a good time and got drenched. My new phone was ruined. Just the other day, a friend that tried to throw me into a pool got pulled in with me. He had his phone on him. Though the last one is a bad example, sometimes you want to do something spur of the moment and not worry about ruining your phone.
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- chrisbrandow 3y agoIs it useful to protect an $800 device from being ruined by accidentally dunking it in a pool, lake, toilet? Yes.
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- epolanski 3y agoI never buy over $300 phones, and anyway it never happened to me in 22+ years to ever drop a phone in a pool/lake/toilet. I'm not discussing it being useful, I merely said that it doesn't feel _really_ needed by me. If I had to choose between interchangeable batteries and waterproof I would choose the first one hands down.
- JoshTriplett 3y agoYou said: > Is waterproof even a real needed feature? That comes across as though you're trying to dismiss it as unimportant; it doesn't come across as though you're actually asking the question and willing to listen to the answer. And then, responding to people who answer you with further dismissals of their reasons continues to seem like you're trying to dismiss it as unimportant because you don't use it. In response to someone saying they don't want to lose an $800 phone to water damage, what value does it add to say "I never buy over $300 phones, and anyway it never happened to me"? Other people do buy expensive phones, and also, whether expensive or cheap, other people do want to not lose them to water damage, and for that matter, other people do want to use them in environments where they're likely to get wet (e.g. pools/showers/baths). It comes across as though you're trying to say "but you're wrong to want that", which results in the response you are getting.
- ars 3y agoThere's nothing to reseal, it's just a simple rubber gasket. Waterproofing is not some rocket science complicated thing that requires magic. Usually when they write these laws they say something like "replaceable using commonly available and inexpensive tools".
- bluSCALE4 3y agoMy Xperia Z something had a gasket over the charging port and like all gaskets, it failed. Lost a beautiful phone over a "simple gasket".
- nonethewiser 3y agoMake new regulation to require non-proprietary screws
- oblio 3y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36362032 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36362032
- notRobot 3y ago> In order to ensure that portable batteries that were incorporated into appliances are subject to separate collection, treatment and high quality recycling once those appliances become waste, provisions to ensure the removability and replaceability of batteries in such appliances are necessary. Consumer safety should be ensured, in line with Union law and in particular Union safety standards, during the removal of portable batteries from or the replacement of portable batteries in an appliance. A portable battery should be considered to be removable by the end-user when it can be removed with the use of commercially available tools and without requiring the use of specialised tools, unless they are provided free of charge, or proprietary tools, thermal energy or solvents to disassemble it. Commercially available tools are considered to be tools available on the market to all end-users without the need for them to provide evidence of any proprietary rights and that can be used with no restriction, except health and safety-related restrictions. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2023-0237_EN.pdf https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2023-0237...
- imran-iq 3y agoThe samsung galaxy s5[0] had a easily replaceable battery while keeping its waterproof rating --- 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S5
- cududa 3y ago"By the end of 2014, it was reported that sales of the S5 were 40% down on the previous S4 model, prompting management changes at Samsung". This was the last user replaceable battery mainline Galaxy phone. This was also the same generation of the iPhone 6, which was dramatically thinner than the S5 and it's replaceable battery. The market spoke.
- malermeister 3y agoYeah but the market isn't a goal in and of itself. When the market says to do the thing that'll lead to us burning our limited resources faster in a time of ecological crisis, then it might make sense to nudge it into a more sustainable direction.
- oblio 3y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36362032 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36362032