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Don't remember where I heard this, but I've always held the idea that anything you type into a text box, whether you remove it before hitting "cancel", delete i

Don't remember where I heard this, but I've always held the idea that anything you type into a text box, whether you remove it before hitting "cancel", delete it after submitting, or edit it, should be considered non-revocable and "out there". IIRC Facebook got caught recording what users typed up, changed their mind, and never thought they were submitting?

systemtest 3y ago
I've had interviews with programming challenges and they recorded every single keystroke. Not sure how legal that is.
- upon_drumhead 3y ago
  Is there something specific that you think would be illegal? Or just a general sense that keystrokes shouldn't be logged?
  - unshavedyak 3y ago
    Not OP, but i could see hypothetically laws that prevent recording user data unknowingly. The same logic could say that just because i'm running your process does not mean you can monitor all my other processes/keystrokes/network-traffic/etc; could be used (hypothetically!) to say that if it's not obvious the user has submitted data, that you can't record it. Obviously it gets into the weeds, but where does it stop? Clearly there's some boundaries. If i have an app actively open/selected, what does it have access to? I could see an argument where if the user didn't think they were sending it, then the user has not acknowledged to transferring "ownership" of data. As nebulous as ownership is in this context, i'm simplifying. I'm not making any statement here. Just posing a hypothetical to attempt to illustrate where privacy arguments could be made.
    - upon_drumhead 3y ago
      I was more asking about the interview process they described. They’re typing into a shared text box where the other person sees it in real time. There’s no submission. This is the same as typing into a google document. I don’t understand their position that live shared documents might not be legal.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  I've seen employee feedback software that does this.
  - nvrgngvup 3y ago
    That is so wrong. In cases where long input is required, I, for some reason, have a habit of writing things down in plain text editor, and then copying that to forms. Did not know that I need to make this a required step.
netsharc 3y ago
I think Facebook's argument was, if you're using it on several devices, then you can continue what you're typing on a different device! (Like how GMail saves your draft every few seconds). But of course they don't mention they might do analysis on what you wrote but never sent... And some online shops do that too at checkout; if you fill in your email but then abandon it, you might get an email that says "Hey, you didn't finish your purchase!". My worst experience was with a phone provider, I just wanted to see how much a mobile package was priced, but I had to add it to a cart. I put in my real number and email and the fuckers added me to their marketing database, sending me SMS ads. Fuck youuu salt.ch!

systemtest 3y ago

I've had interviews with programming challenges and they recorded every single keystroke. Not sure how legal that is.

upon_drumhead 3y ago
Is there something specific that you think would be illegal? Or just a general sense that keystrokes shouldn't be logged?
- unshavedyak 3y ago
  Not OP, but i could see hypothetically laws that prevent recording user data unknowingly. The same logic could say that just because i'm running your process does not mean you can monitor all my other processes/keystrokes/network-traffic/etc; could be used (hypothetically!) to say that if it's not obvious the user has submitted data, that you can't record it. Obviously it gets into the weeds, but where does it stop? Clearly there's some boundaries. If i have an app actively open/selected, what does it have access to? I could see an argument where if the user didn't think they were sending it, then the user has not acknowledged to transferring "ownership" of data. As nebulous as ownership is in this context, i'm simplifying. I'm not making any statement here. Just posing a hypothetical to attempt to illustrate where privacy arguments could be made.
  - upon_drumhead 3y ago
    I was more asking about the interview process they described. They’re typing into a shared text box where the other person sees it in real time. There’s no submission. This is the same as typing into a google document. I don’t understand their position that live shared documents might not be legal.
giraffe_lady 3y ago
I've seen employee feedback software that does this.
- nvrgngvup 3y ago
  That is so wrong. In cases where long input is required, I, for some reason, have a habit of writing things down in plain text editor, and then copying that to forms. Did not know that I need to make this a required step.

netsharc 3y ago

I think Facebook's argument was, if you're using it on several devices, then you can continue what you're typing on a different device! (Like how GMail saves your draft every few seconds). But of course they don't mention they might do analysis on what you wrote but never sent... And some online shops do that too at checkout; if you fill in your email but then abandon it, you might get an email that says "Hey, you didn't finish your purchase!". My worst experience was with a phone provider, I just wanted to see how much a mobile package was priced, but I had to add it to a cart. I put in my real number and email and the fuckers added me to their marketing database, sending me SMS ads. Fuck youuu salt.ch!