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There was the old adage for Excel that: - 100% of people view spreadsheets - 10% of people use something like SUM() or similar - 1% of people write VB macros

by pea 3y ago

There was the old adage for Excel that: - 100% of people view spreadsheets - 10% of people use something like SUM() or similar - 1% of people write VB macros You can create a product which works well for the _average_ viewer, but if it sucks for the 1% of 10% (maybe mods or contributors in this analogy), you're going to create a bad user experience for everyone.

tialaramex 3y ago
Loads of Excel users aren't really doing "spreadsheets" except in the sense that it's Excel and that's a spreadsheet software, so arguably this is a spreadsheet. The same way arguably if I type this novel into Visio now that's a diagram. Like, is "An Oak Tree" a sculpture? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Oak_Tree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Oak_Tree For many Excel users it's like computerised graph paper, they can write stuff in boxes, maybe use it to make a calendar, they can colour the boxes in - yes, they can do arithmetic on the boxes, but many of them are surprised to find out that's what it is actually for.
- marcosdumay 3y ago
  The point is that those people wouldn't be using Excel if it didn't support the advanced usage. They would be using some other tool, that supported it. And yes, even if all they want is to paint some squares by hand.
- Applejinx 3y ago
  Just as a side note: > It was once barred by Australian officials from entering the country as "vegetation".[13][14] Craig-Martin was forced to inform them that it was really a glass of water. He said, "It was of course a wonderfully funny incident, particularly because it extended into 'real life' the discussion about belief and doubt, and fact and fiction I was addressing in the work." I'm somehow really let down by the guy's failure to commit to the bit. It's not an artwork unless he commits to the bit… far as I can tell, he should have gone along with it as the customs officials were doing. What a killjoy :)
  - tialaramex 3y ago
    The "bit" is Transubstantiation, a key Miracle of the Catholic faith. Catholics believe that the Eucharist blessing, a ritual often performed in Churches on a Sunday, literally transforms the bread and wine - they aren't just symbols, they literally are now Christ's Flesh and Christ's Blood. Now, you may observe that, just as "An Oak Tree" looks, and in every way seems exactly like a glass of water, the bread and wine still looks and in every way seems exactly like bread and wine, but Catholicism teaches that nevertheless they are the Body and Blood of Jesus. (Roman) Catholics who care will be told this is because all observable properties are just incidental whereas the substantial nature changed, just imperceptibly. Now, the exact details will vary outside Roman Catholicism, but you should generally expect that either they're deliberately vague (Eastern Orthodox and Anglican traditions) or they have the same sort of dubious philosophical out, and that's what this artwork is about. So, it's not really necessary to the "bit" that you insist it's actually An Oak Tree at customs. Catholicism works around this question (obviously it's not OK to import thousand year old flesh or blood without a very difference license from bread and wine) because the bread and wine are just bread and wine up until the ritual is performed, you could do the same by just deciding a different glass of water on a shelf is "An Oak Tree" to skip the customs check.

by pea 3y ago

tialaramex 3y ago

Loads of Excel users aren't really doing "spreadsheets" except in the sense that it's Excel and that's a spreadsheet software, so arguably this is a spreadsheet. The same way arguably if I type this novel into Visio now that's a diagram. Like, is "An Oak Tree" a sculpture? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Oak_Tree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Oak_Tree For many Excel users it's like computerised graph paper, they can write stuff in boxes, maybe use it to make a calendar, they can colour the boxes in - yes, they can do arithmetic on the boxes, but many of them are surprised to find out that's what it is actually for.

marcosdumay 3y ago
The point is that those people wouldn't be using Excel if it didn't support the advanced usage. They would be using some other tool, that supported it. And yes, even if all they want is to paint some squares by hand.
Applejinx 3y ago
Just as a side note: > It was once barred by Australian officials from entering the country as "vegetation".[13][14] Craig-Martin was forced to inform them that it was really a glass of water. He said, "It was of course a wonderfully funny incident, particularly because it extended into 'real life' the discussion about belief and doubt, and fact and fiction I was addressing in the work." I'm somehow really let down by the guy's failure to commit to the bit. It's not an artwork unless he commits to the bit… far as I can tell, he should have gone along with it as the customs officials were doing. What a killjoy :)
- tialaramex 3y ago
  The "bit" is Transubstantiation, a key Miracle of the Catholic faith. Catholics believe that the Eucharist blessing, a ritual often performed in Churches on a Sunday, literally transforms the bread and wine - they aren't just symbols, they literally are now Christ's Flesh and Christ's Blood. Now, you may observe that, just as "An Oak Tree" looks, and in every way seems exactly like a glass of water, the bread and wine still looks and in every way seems exactly like bread and wine, but Catholicism teaches that nevertheless they are the Body and Blood of Jesus. (Roman) Catholics who care will be told this is because all observable properties are just incidental whereas the substantial nature changed, just imperceptibly. Now, the exact details will vary outside Roman Catholicism, but you should generally expect that either they're deliberately vague (Eastern Orthodox and Anglican traditions) or they have the same sort of dubious philosophical out, and that's what this artwork is about. So, it's not really necessary to the "bit" that you insist it's actually An Oak Tree at customs. Catholicism works around this question (obviously it's not OK to import thousand year old flesh or blood without a very difference license from bread and wine) because the bread and wine are just bread and wine up until the ritual is performed, you could do the same by just deciding a different glass of water on a shelf is "An Oak Tree" to skip the customs check.