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People are happy with the way things are. Why are you trying to mess with their things? If they want to use a phone that’s restricted to a walled garden App Sto

People are happy with the way things are. Why are you trying to mess with their things? If they want to use a phone that’s restricted to a walled garden App Store, that’s none of your business. Will you be taking responsibility if there are unforeseen consequences to side loading? There plenty of other phones out there that allow side loading. Go use one of those if it’s that important to you.

wiseowise 3y ago
And allowing sideloading will ruin their walled garden experience how? Last time I checked, you need to explicitly go and enable it on Android.
- worrycue 3y ago
  What part of the phrase “unforeseen consequences” did you fail to understand? I really don’t get it. So this particular product doesn’t meet your wants. Big deal. They are millions of products that don’t mean my wants, you don’t see me crusading on the bloody internet asking for them all to be changed. I just don’t buy them.
  - wiseowise 3y ago
    > What part of the phrase “unforeseen consequences” did you fail to understand? Sorry, I didn’t see need to address paranoid fears. > I really don’t get it. So this particular product doesn’t meet your wants. Big deal. They are millions of products that don’t mean my wants, you don’t see me crusading on the bloody internet asking for them all to be changed. I just don’t buy them. I really don’t get why me wanting product improved mobilizes internet on a crusade against my valid complaints about absurd limitations of platform.
  - TheRealPomax 3y ago
    Except, of course, there aren't millions of phones. There are two. So yeah, complaining that there are features missing for a large part of the target audience is rather perfectly rational behaviour for a customer base.
pbhjpbhj 3y ago
So your argument is Apple might secretly be entirely incompetent or malicious, so a simple ability to side-load apps couldn't possibly be offered? It's like someone told you you can only use an iPhone in a bungalow and you think some magic monster will appear if you let others use it in a house.
- worrycue 3y ago
  More of a “if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it”. P.S. My pet theory why Apple is so controlling about what kind of apps are allowed is to prevent “embrace, extend, extinguish” tactics. Imagine if MS created dev tools for iOS that produce apps that use a specific runtime and it gets super popular. Now MS has a say in iOS’s ecosystem, Apple has to maintain compatibility with that runtime (and will need MS’s cooperation) and if MS decides to cripple support for those dev tools it will impact iOS app creation.
  - Karunamon 3y ago
    That explains the JIT ban and not much else. It doesn't explain the obnoxious morality clause, the ban on entire classes of applications, and so forth.
didntcheck 3y ago
How is adding an option for other people to use messing with their thing? They have no obligation to use it
TheRealPomax 3y ago
No, "most people" are happy with the way things are. And as it turns out, people reading and posting on HN are not most people.

wiseowise 3y ago

And allowing sideloading will ruin their walled garden experience how? Last time I checked, you need to explicitly go and enable it on Android.

worrycue 3y ago
What part of the phrase “unforeseen consequences” did you fail to understand? I really don’t get it. So this particular product doesn’t meet your wants. Big deal. They are millions of products that don’t mean my wants, you don’t see me crusading on the bloody internet asking for them all to be changed. I just don’t buy them.
- wiseowise 3y ago
  > What part of the phrase “unforeseen consequences” did you fail to understand? Sorry, I didn’t see need to address paranoid fears. > I really don’t get it. So this particular product doesn’t meet your wants. Big deal. They are millions of products that don’t mean my wants, you don’t see me crusading on the bloody internet asking for them all to be changed. I just don’t buy them. I really don’t get why me wanting product improved mobilizes internet on a crusade against my valid complaints about absurd limitations of platform.
- TheRealPomax 3y ago
  Except, of course, there aren't millions of phones. There are two. So yeah, complaining that there are features missing for a large part of the target audience is rather perfectly rational behaviour for a customer base.

pbhjpbhj 3y ago

So your argument is Apple might secretly be entirely incompetent or malicious, so a simple ability to side-load apps couldn't possibly be offered? It's like someone told you you can only use an iPhone in a bungalow and you think some magic monster will appear if you let others use it in a house.

worrycue 3y ago
More of a “if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it”. P.S. My pet theory why Apple is so controlling about what kind of apps are allowed is to prevent “embrace, extend, extinguish” tactics. Imagine if MS created dev tools for iOS that produce apps that use a specific runtime and it gets super popular. Now MS has a say in iOS’s ecosystem, Apple has to maintain compatibility with that runtime (and will need MS’s cooperation) and if MS decides to cripple support for those dev tools it will impact iOS app creation.
- Karunamon 3y ago
  That explains the JIT ban and not much else. It doesn't explain the obnoxious morality clause, the ban on entire classes of applications, and so forth.

didntcheck 3y ago

How is adding an option for other people to use messing with their thing? They have no obligation to use it

TheRealPomax 3y ago

No, "most people" are happy with the way things are. And as it turns out, people reading and posting on HN are not most people.