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Many of us don't want a computer in our pocket. We want a simplistic, managed, fuss-free device that isn't another source of malware, viruses, dark patterns e.
by threeseed 3y ago
Many of us don't want a computer in our pocket.
We want a simplistic, managed, fuss-free device that isn't another source of malware, viruses, dark patterns e.g. unsubscribing and where basic things like uninstalling requires a Terminal.
If you want a computer then there are plenty of companies that satisfy your requirements. So why not encourage and support them instead of trying to turn the iPhone into something a lot of people don't want.
- devmor 3y agoIf Apple allowed us to run the apps created for the iPhone outside of iOS I'm sure we wouldn't be having this discussion. Many of us are in the ecosystem not out of personal choice, but out of necessity (be it professional or social).
- howinteresting 3y agoWhat phone platform is both open and lets you communicate over iMessage without absurd workarounds? To get a blue bubble you must give up control over your mobile life to Apple.
- __d 3y agoSo your choice is clear. What do you value more?
- howinteresting 3y agoIn a just world you wouldn't have to make that choice.
- alexdunmow 3y agoThere's nothing just about this world, and if iPhones are your biggest concern in this regard then you're profiting from that injustice.
- howinteresting 3y agohttps://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as
- nobody9999 3y ago>To get a blue bubble you must give up control over your mobile life to Apple. As someone who has never used Apple products (well, except for the OS on an Apple II I built from a kit as a high school project in 1983), I don't understand why a "blue bubble" is important. Would you mind explaining that to me? Not being snarky here, I just really don't understand what value there is in a "blue bubble."
- johnny22 3y agoit's a status marker. Only people who can afford the iphone get a blue bubble.
- filoleg 3y ago> it's a status marker Not as much as you probably believe it is (at least in the US), given it has the majority smartphone owneship share here.
- scarface_74 3y agoThis is such a tired cliche. How is something owned by 60% of the American market a “status symbol”?
- criddell 3y agoBlue means end-to-end encrypted. Green means plaintext.
- AngryData 3y agoIt is a huge status symbol among the youth. Kids will discriminate against and even sometimes bully people for not having it. And there are certain features that only apple users can use over messaging that has no reasonable excuse for not allowing other mobile platforms to participate in other than to push kids into buying iphones so they aren't excluded. Effectively pushing kids into buying devices far more expensive and powerful than they actually have any usage for. And for kids of poorer families buying an iphone is a fairly large financial burden.
- rad_gruchalski 3y agoWhy is it important? The world communicates through whatsapp, signal, telegram and some other stuff in China. The blue bubble argument is a red herring.
- iamtedd 3y agoThe angst over a blue bubble remains the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
- nerdix 3y agoIts getting to the point now where I'm never going to buy an iPhone simply because getting excluded over a green bubble seems like a good way to filter stupid people out of your life.
- Karunamon 3y agoIt's not the color of the message bubble, that's just a shorthand for the actual problem: it's that iMessage has more functionality than SMS, and inviting a SMS user to a iMessage chat works but degrades the experience for all participants. It is both awkward (for instance, using a reaction generates a "so and so liked your thing" message) and insecure (now every word in a chat gets blasted out over the known-insecure medium).
- iamtedd 3y agoThose reactions seem to work for me in Aus., on Android. And as for group chats, you should understand that if you start one on iMessage, you shouldn't be surprised that it doesn't work cross-platform. It could, but Apple deliberately doesn't want to make an iMessage app for Android. Understand the implications of using a proprietary system.
- howinteresting 3y agoI personally don't give a shit about them, everyone I know uses Signal or maybe WhatsApp. But lots of people do.
- wwweston 3y agoLike the GP said, this is a false dichotomy. Something as simple as accessible sideloading or a "let me do unsafe things" switch buried deep in the preferences app can give people who want it greater control and let those who prefer the walled garden keep the benefits.
- greggh 3y agoGet a different phone then. Don't try to take the exact reason some of us bought an iPhone away from us.
- TheRealPomax 3y agoAh yes, "instead of getting a feature added for free that I won't need, and the presence of which would not impact me or anyone like me in any way, shape, or form, how about everyone just buys another $1500 phone?" Maybe because getting a feature added for free that you won't need, and the presence of which would not impact you or anyone like you in any way, shape, or form, won't impact you or anyone like you in any way, shape, or form. Just go "I'd never need that, but power to you if Apple ever adds it. Which we can be pretty sure of they won't". Don't hate on folks for wanting things that you don't want, but also won't affect your life in any way if they got it.
- rad_gruchalski 3y ago> Maybe because getting a feature added for free that you won't need, and the presence of which would not impact you or anyone like you in any way, shape, or form, won't impact you or anyone like you in any way, shape, or form. How do you know that allowing sideloading does’t effectively mean opening a bunch of backdoors on the device? What if the the tight grip over the hardware + software is the best way to ensure that millions of users stay reasonably safe? Isn’t this basically a way to prevent supply chain attacks? I don’t know… do you know? How can you say such things with so much confidence?
- kibwen 3y ago
- vGPU 3y agoAgreed. My business depends on my phone. If I can’t call clients or pull google maps up, I’m screwed. I have both an iPhone and an Android. I’ve never had an iPhone die for no good reason. Every single android phone I’ve owned prior to my OP 8T has died in under a year. I got hit with the LG bootloop bug on my first android phone and it just went from there. And that’s just hardware. The other day I realized my 8T had bricked itself. I hadn’t used it in a few days, and an OTA update broke something. Wouldn’t flash back the normal way either, I had to go and dig up specialized software and a copy of the ROM from XDA. I’ve never had an iPhone have a bug that a simple reboot wouldn’t fix. The same thing extends to computers too. I think macOS is an abomination, but the hardware they put out it leaps and bounds ahead of pretty much every other manufacturer. In comparison, my surface book 2 has been a steaming pile of shit from day 1. I built my desktop, but my laptop is a MBP. I’d get 3-4 hours of battery on the SB2 with brightness all the way down. The MBP will literally last all day unless I’m running Thinkorswim. Whoever thought that its performance was acceptable should be shot. Even on my desktop it will routinely use 5gb+ RAM alone.
- rdedev 3y agoI used to be pretty anti walled garden but after seeing comments like yours I've come to understand and respect the other side. That being said more and more companies are now just blindly copying what apple is doing
- hparadiz 3y agoYea. That's the problem all along with walled gardens. Twenty years will go by and you'll find yourself unable to do the most basic thing becaused corporate control over an environment is a slow creep.
- __MatrixMan__ 3y agoNobody knows how to build a non-computer that does what people expect phones to do. It's going to have to be a computer or nothing. The only question is whether it's your computer or someone else's.
- FpUser 3y ago>"Many of us don't want a computer in our pocket." And many of us do. Smartphone is a really powerful one and is relatively cheap due to the economy of scale. >"If you want a computer then there are plenty of companies that satisfy your requirements." Nope. I already have powerful computer in my pocket. It just artificially crippled.
- manigandham 3y agoIf you don’t want the extra functionality then just don’t use it. You can use the iPhone without ever installing any 3rd party apps, but it would be silly to say nobody else can just because you won’t.