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I'm sure I don't actually understand the details but the way it's been presented before is that, for whatever reasons, criminals and those with severe mental is

by ilaksh 3y ago

I'm sure I don't actually understand the details but the way it's been presented before is that, for whatever reasons, criminals and those with severe mental issues are now not kept in jail or institutions but rather left to roam the streets. The mental illness policy has been around for a long time but the idea not to jail criminals is a bit newer. I think that not jailing criminals is related to bail bond system reform or something. Not an expert but I am guessing that they need a more realistic policy that does not automatically free habitual offenders. They probably need more jails and a much more efficient legal system. And a new mental health policy and massive increase in funding for institutions. As well as a much more effective benefits system to prevent homelessness. And probably much less tolerance for drug sales etc. Also the general economic decline needs to be righted. I guess considering the severity of all of those problems and the concentration in that area, it's remarkable that businesses can operate at all.

andromeduck 3y ago
It's because the far left that dominate all levels of SF/Cali politics, including many senators, city supervisors, city attorneys, police commissioner, judges and non profits - don't believe in "carceeal justice" and so refuse to do anything about it. A common belief is that prison is criminogenic, because people who spend more time in prison tend to reoffend more often but this largely gets the causality backwards. This causes them to ignore/deny the pareto distribution of crime that underlies most criminal justice systems so we have a fairly sizable population of serial violence reoffenders that are just caught and released on a weekly/monthly basis until someone dies.
anon373839 3y ago
> and massive increase in funding for institutions I’m very doubtful this is the way forward. SF spends and squanders an absolutely eye-watering amount of money on its problems. The money appears to support committees and other layers of bureaucracy that will only grow more baroque if you give them more money.
rufus_foreman 3y ago
>> the way it's been presented before is that, for whatever reasons, criminals and those with severe mental issues are now not kept in jail or institutions but rather left to roam the streets. The mental illness policy has been around for a long time but the idea not to jail criminals is a bit newer. Here's the graph of the first step, the deinstitutionalization of people from mental hospitals and the reinstutionalization of people in prisons: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwVXgslXoAAny9T?format=png&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwVXgslXoAAny9T?format=png&name=... That was pretty much complete by 2000. Now we're in the step of the deinstitutionalization of people from prisons. During none of these steps were any actual problems solved. The late 70's and the 80's were a great time for people who liked being on the streets though. I'm pretty sure the people who are living on the streets now will look back on this time with fondness in a decade or two.

by ilaksh 3y ago

andromeduck 3y ago

It's because the far left that dominate all levels of SF/Cali politics, including many senators, city supervisors, city attorneys, police commissioner, judges and non profits - don't believe in "carceeal justice" and so refuse to do anything about it. A common belief is that prison is criminogenic, because people who spend more time in prison tend to reoffend more often but this largely gets the causality backwards. This causes them to ignore/deny the pareto distribution of crime that underlies most criminal justice systems so we have a fairly sizable population of serial violence reoffenders that are just caught and released on a weekly/monthly basis until someone dies.

anon373839 3y ago

> and massive increase in funding for institutions I’m very doubtful this is the way forward. SF spends and squanders an absolutely eye-watering amount of money on its problems. The money appears to support committees and other layers of bureaucracy that will only grow more baroque if you give them more money.

rufus_foreman 3y ago

>> the way it's been presented before is that, for whatever reasons, criminals and those with severe mental issues are now not kept in jail or institutions but rather left to roam the streets. The mental illness policy has been around for a long time but the idea not to jail criminals is a bit newer. Here's the graph of the first step, the deinstitutionalization of people from mental hospitals and the reinstutionalization of people in prisons: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwVXgslXoAAny9T?format=png&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwVXgslXoAAny9T?format=png&name=... That was pretty much complete by 2000. Now we're in the step of the deinstitutionalization of people from prisons. During none of these steps were any actual problems solved. The late 70's and the 80's were a great time for people who liked being on the streets though. I'm pretty sure the people who are living on the streets now will look back on this time with fondness in a decade or two.