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> conservative commentators you know there are actual no go zones like austin area in chicago. Why are you hiding behind 'conservative commentators' as a cove

> conservative commentators you know there are actual no go zones like austin area in chicago. Why are you hiding behind 'conservative commentators' as a cover for your statement.

thebooktocome 3y ago
Odd choice to fixate on a clause buried in a hypothetical and ignore the thrust of the sentence, but I support your hermeneutical decisions. I do not live in Chicago and have said nothing here about it.
tptacek 3y ago
I don't know what you're talking about, but I spend about 60 minutes in Austin (the Chicago neighborhood) every day, and live across a street from it. Austin is not a "no go zone". Residents of one of the wealthiest suburbs in Chicago routinely bike through it on their way to work in the Loop.
- dangwhy 3y ago
  > Austin is not a "no go zone". maybe your definition is different. From last few weeks, > Man, 38, shot in the face in Austin. > The 38-year-old was walking on the sidewalk when someone started shooting around 10:20 p.m. in the 4900 block of West Hubbard Street, according to police. https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/man-38-shot-in-the-face-in-austin.amp https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/man-38-shot-in-the-face-in... > 7 Shot, 1 Fatally, in Austin as Group Gathered to Honor Life of Man Killed in Car Accident https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/7-shot-1-fatally-in-austin-as-group-gathered-to-honor-life-of-man-killed-in-car-accident/3154575/ https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/7-shot-1-fatally-in-au... > Boy, 15, injured after shooting in Austin overnight https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/boy-15-injured-after-shooting-in-austin-overnight/ https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/boy-15-injured-after-sho... > Austin Neighbors Are Helping Each Other Get Mental Health Care After Shootings Near Preschool > Some kids said they were too scared to play outside after hearing gunfire, a preschool leader said. A 20-year-old woman was killed and two men were wounded in two shootings days apart. https://blockclubchicago.org/2023/04/27/austin-neighbors-are-helping-each-other-get-mental-health-care-after-shootings-near-preschool/ https://blockclubchicago.org/2023/04/27/austin-neighbors-are... > Devout 'God-fearing' woman killed by stray bullet in front of Austin home, blocks away from church https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-crime-woman-killed-in/12897246/ https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-crime-woman-killed-...
  - tptacek 3y ago
    With respect, your argument is poorly informed and seems extrapolated from media stories. I don't know if you live in Chicagoland or not --- the belief you're expounding on is prevalent in suburban Chicago as well. It's false. Once again: one of the wealthiest suburbs in Chicago is directly adjacent to Austin. I live in that suburb, across a street (that street would be Austin) from the neighborhood. People in Oak Park commute, on bicycles, through Austin. Notably, in the ~20 years I've lived here, I haven't heard a single story about any of those people being shot. Austin residents patronize our businesses. Much of Austin is middle class. Austin is a troubled neighborhood (it is literally ground zero for US housing segregation), but it is absolutely not a "no-go zone". Words mean things. Ironically, people who "go" to Austin are probably much safer (essentially they _are_ safe there) than young male Black residents, who are the exclusive targets of the gang violence that occurs there. You get the same weird arguments about the neighborhoods immediately surrounding Hyde Park on the south side, and the same rebuttals apply.
    - dangwhy 3y ago
      its not "argument" though, i don't see what 'wealthiest suburbs' have to do with shootings in austin. Yes suburbs including the one you live in are safer. Not sure what that has to do with anything. CabriniGreen used to be next to rivernorth. > I don't know if you live in Chicagoland or not I've lived in pilsen for last 25 years and grew up here. I don't live in the burbs. I know what 'no go zones' mean, the block i grew up on in west pilsen used to be one ( but not anymore) . I now live on the edge of 'no go zone' in pilsen ( east of western ) . My wife works for charter school in englewood where i do weekly drop off and pickup. Englewood is a 'no go' zone for us, meaning we won't go there if we have no business being there, we never make a stop in that neighborhood ( like the cyclists you mention) . you choose live white majority suburb with double the median income but not in austin. That revealed preference proves that Austin was a 'no go' zone for you? Going to coffeshop once in a while doesn't really count, imo. > is absolutely not a "no-go zone". Words mean things. You said austin is not a no go zone, can you give me an example of an area considered no go zone. Perhaps that will clarify. > Notably, in the ~20 years I've lived here, I haven't heard a single story about any of those people being shot. I just gave you two examples from last 2 months of ppl getting shot by stray bullets. What does you personally hearing about cyclists have to do with anything? This type of statement is really hard to respond to.
dragonwriter 3y ago
> you know there are actual no go zones like austin area in chicago This claim presupposes an objective definition of “no go zone” supporting the existence of actual examples. Please provide the objective definition (ideally, with sourcing) and the evidence supporting the claim that “austin area in chicago” meets it.

> conservative commentators you know there are actual no go zones like austin area in chicago. Why are you hiding behind 'conservative commentators' as a cover for your statement.

thebooktocome 3y ago

Odd choice to fixate on a clause buried in a hypothetical and ignore the thrust of the sentence, but I support your hermeneutical decisions. I do not live in Chicago and have said nothing here about it.

tptacek 3y ago

I don't know what you're talking about, but I spend about 60 minutes in Austin (the Chicago neighborhood) every day, and live across a street from it. Austin is not a "no go zone". Residents of one of the wealthiest suburbs in Chicago routinely bike through it on their way to work in the Loop.

dangwhy 3y ago
> Austin is not a "no go zone". maybe your definition is different. From last few weeks, > Man, 38, shot in the face in Austin. > The 38-year-old was walking on the sidewalk when someone started shooting around 10:20 p.m. in the 4900 block of West Hubbard Street, according to police. https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/man-38-shot-in-the-face-in-austin.amp https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/man-38-shot-in-the-face-in... > 7 Shot, 1 Fatally, in Austin as Group Gathered to Honor Life of Man Killed in Car Accident https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/7-shot-1-fatally-in-austin-as-group-gathered-to-honor-life-of-man-killed-in-car-accident/3154575/ https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/7-shot-1-fatally-in-au... > Boy, 15, injured after shooting in Austin overnight https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/boy-15-injured-after-shooting-in-austin-overnight/ https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/boy-15-injured-after-sho... > Austin Neighbors Are Helping Each Other Get Mental Health Care After Shootings Near Preschool > Some kids said they were too scared to play outside after hearing gunfire, a preschool leader said. A 20-year-old woman was killed and two men were wounded in two shootings days apart. https://blockclubchicago.org/2023/04/27/austin-neighbors-are-helping-each-other-get-mental-health-care-after-shootings-near-preschool/ https://blockclubchicago.org/2023/04/27/austin-neighbors-are... > Devout 'God-fearing' woman killed by stray bullet in front of Austin home, blocks away from church https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-crime-woman-killed-in/12897246/ https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-crime-woman-killed-...
- tptacek 3y ago
  With respect, your argument is poorly informed and seems extrapolated from media stories. I don't know if you live in Chicagoland or not --- the belief you're expounding on is prevalent in suburban Chicago as well. It's false. Once again: one of the wealthiest suburbs in Chicago is directly adjacent to Austin. I live in that suburb, across a street (that street would be Austin) from the neighborhood. People in Oak Park commute, on bicycles, through Austin. Notably, in the ~20 years I've lived here, I haven't heard a single story about any of those people being shot. Austin residents patronize our businesses. Much of Austin is middle class. Austin is a troubled neighborhood (it is literally ground zero for US housing segregation), but it is absolutely not a "no-go zone". Words mean things. Ironically, people who "go" to Austin are probably much safer (essentially they _are_ safe there) than young male Black residents, who are the exclusive targets of the gang violence that occurs there. You get the same weird arguments about the neighborhoods immediately surrounding Hyde Park on the south side, and the same rebuttals apply.
  - dangwhy 3y ago
    its not "argument" though, i don't see what 'wealthiest suburbs' have to do with shootings in austin. Yes suburbs including the one you live in are safer. Not sure what that has to do with anything. CabriniGreen used to be next to rivernorth. > I don't know if you live in Chicagoland or not I've lived in pilsen for last 25 years and grew up here. I don't live in the burbs. I know what 'no go zones' mean, the block i grew up on in west pilsen used to be one ( but not anymore) . I now live on the edge of 'no go zone' in pilsen ( east of western ) . My wife works for charter school in englewood where i do weekly drop off and pickup. Englewood is a 'no go' zone for us, meaning we won't go there if we have no business being there, we never make a stop in that neighborhood ( like the cyclists you mention) . you choose live white majority suburb with double the median income but not in austin. That revealed preference proves that Austin was a 'no go' zone for you? Going to coffeshop once in a while doesn't really count, imo. > is absolutely not a "no-go zone". Words mean things. You said austin is not a no go zone, can you give me an example of an area considered no go zone. Perhaps that will clarify. > Notably, in the ~20 years I've lived here, I haven't heard a single story about any of those people being shot. I just gave you two examples from last 2 months of ppl getting shot by stray bullets. What does you personally hearing about cyclists have to do with anything? This type of statement is really hard to respond to.

dragonwriter 3y ago

> you know there are actual no go zones like austin area in chicago This claim presupposes an objective definition of “no go zone” supporting the existence of actual examples. Please provide the objective definition (ideally, with sourcing) and the evidence supporting the claim that “austin area in chicago” meets it.