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There is already a large population of bots reposting formerly popular content, including the comments from the original thread. It’s eerie once you notice it.

transcriptase 3y ago
I’ve seen entire (dozen reply long) comment chains on a repost (or similar content) that were re-created verbatim from an older post. Each one garnered the same hundreds of upvotes as the original, and each bot seemed to be part of a network that was farming karma through this process. Eerie was an understatement.
- evouga 3y ago
  What’s the endgame here? Who is buying ripened accounts with lots of karma and why?
  - joshstrange 3y ago
    People who want to astroturf, from everything from products to politics (though honestly probably more for "products"). Reddit is well known for being one of the few places you can "trust" product reviews (that hasn't been fully true for a while now but it's still valuable). If a near-0 karma and/or new account says "I love X product" then they can sometimes be downvoted/called a shill but an account that's a couple years old and has decent karma? Looks like a real person. That's at least the explanation I've heard many times.
    - MostlyStable 3y ago
      Once you cross the extremely small karma barrier needed to get your comments allowed/not be rate limited...whats the point? I use reddit for a lot of recommendations/research and I have _never_ checked the karma of a user after reading their comment.
      - TylerE 3y ago
        To appear trustworthy. Account says buy bitcoin - user checks history and sees 7 year old account with thousands of posts, many highly upvoted, so assumes source is sane and not astroturf.
        MostlyStable 3y ago
        That's my point though: how often do people do that check? I don't think I personally ever have. Maybe I'm just weird though? I tend to not just go with a single user/comment/thread, but rather try to find multiple different answers and gestalt from there, so individual trustworthiness is less important.
        TylerE 3y ago
        Obviously it's higher than zero, else the market for accounts wouldn't exist.
        andybak 3y ago
        Isn’t this begging the question though? I.e., the thing you have just stated is exactly the thing we’re trying to figure out.
        TylerE 3y ago
        No, because we're talking about a phenomenon that indisputably exists.
        xapata 3y ago
        You have to remember that with spam, they're looking for gullible people, and the marginal cost of the spam activity is extremely low. To some extent, the Nigerian prince scam works not in spite of, but because it's nonsense.
        paulmd 3y ago
        there are definitely browser extensions that will call the API to check account age and highlight suspicious accounts, that's how "checking" generally happens except in egregious cases.
  - mejutoco 3y ago
    Did you see all those "where can I buy this flavor of snack in $location", or some weird anecdote involving a flavor of chips or similar. Tons of astroturfing on reddit. I notice a lot of talking past each other in only tangentially related comments. Lately also here on hn.
  - waboremo 3y ago
    Outside of buying accounts, some people literally just want control. For the same reason that people will spend countless hours moderating large subs for free. They want to push certain narratives on subs, so you'll see large accounts where all they post are generic filler distractions or inciteful links. It's not all super nefarious or political, often it's things like mindless fanboy wars, where they only post things that make their favorite companies look good. For others, they do it because getting upvotes and reddit awards makes them feel good. They see themselves as community pillars. I suppose this kind of feeds into the above reason in some ways. If you check /r/games today, you'll see one user is responsible for over half of the submissions. Such accounts are what I mean, where unless they have fine tuned a bot to such a degree, they're really just someone with a little bit too much time on their hands.
- z3c0 3y ago
  > Each one garnered the same hundreds of upvotes as the original What's sad is how many of those aren't bots. It's not uncommon for karma farmers to have their bots upvote each other, but it isn't cost effective to have hundreds (a 1 year old reddit account can run you approx $10 for 1000 post karma). The sad reality is that of those hundreds of upvotes, almost all represent a person who fell for it. As the saying goes "a lie can be halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on".
  - aryan14 3y ago
    > (a 1 year old reddit account can run you approx $10 for 1000 post karma). Someone who bought a reddit account here, I bought a 2 year old aged account with around 3000 post karma for $10. The karma has lost its value.
    - transcriptase 3y ago
      Without judging and out of pure curiosity, can I ask why?
- flomo 3y ago
  > I’ve seen entire comment chains on a repost that were re-created verbatim from an older post. I have seen this happen on one of those (former) small niche cozy subs, where it is small enough that people notice their content being recycled. No idea what the goal might be, so I wonder if it is a platform feature to pump-up engagement by automatically reposting content.
- monnok 3y ago
  Lately, I’ve seen comments copied verbatim from lower in the very same comment section. They’ll find a comment with upvotes rising above its thread neighbors, but with the entire thread neighborhood buried at the bottom of the comment section. Then they’ll just staple that low comment as a response to some visible comment in a thread much higher up the comment section.
ilyt 3y ago
I wanted to make one for a joke and see how long it takes for people to notice but I guess people did that already for nefarious purposes. That was after I noticed that cat delivering bot I wrote for internal chat appears to have "infinity supply of cats" according to the users, while all it has is a ~200 long list of imgur links that never changes.

transcriptase 3y ago

I’ve seen entire (dozen reply long) comment chains on a repost (or similar content) that were re-created verbatim from an older post. Each one garnered the same hundreds of upvotes as the original, and each bot seemed to be part of a network that was farming karma through this process. Eerie was an understatement.

evouga 3y ago
What’s the endgame here? Who is buying ripened accounts with lots of karma and why?
- joshstrange 3y ago
  People who want to astroturf, from everything from products to politics (though honestly probably more for "products"). Reddit is well known for being one of the few places you can "trust" product reviews (that hasn't been fully true for a while now but it's still valuable). If a near-0 karma and/or new account says "I love X product" then they can sometimes be downvoted/called a shill but an account that's a couple years old and has decent karma? Looks like a real person. That's at least the explanation I've heard many times.
  - MostlyStable 3y ago
    Once you cross the extremely small karma barrier needed to get your comments allowed/not be rate limited...whats the point? I use reddit for a lot of recommendations/research and I have _never_ checked the karma of a user after reading their comment.
    - TylerE 3y ago
      To appear trustworthy. Account says buy bitcoin - user checks history and sees 7 year old account with thousands of posts, many highly upvoted, so assumes source is sane and not astroturf.
      - MostlyStable 3y ago
        That's my point though: how often do people do that check? I don't think I personally ever have. Maybe I'm just weird though? I tend to not just go with a single user/comment/thread, but rather try to find multiple different answers and gestalt from there, so individual trustworthiness is less important.
        TylerE 3y ago
        Obviously it's higher than zero, else the market for accounts wouldn't exist.
        andybak 3y ago
        Isn’t this begging the question though? I.e., the thing you have just stated is exactly the thing we’re trying to figure out.
        TylerE 3y ago
        No, because we're talking about a phenomenon that indisputably exists.
        xapata 3y ago
        You have to remember that with spam, they're looking for gullible people, and the marginal cost of the spam activity is extremely low. To some extent, the Nigerian prince scam works not in spite of, but because it's nonsense.
        paulmd 3y ago
        there are definitely browser extensions that will call the API to check account age and highlight suspicious accounts, that's how "checking" generally happens except in egregious cases.
- mejutoco 3y ago
  Did you see all those "where can I buy this flavor of snack in $location", or some weird anecdote involving a flavor of chips or similar. Tons of astroturfing on reddit. I notice a lot of talking past each other in only tangentially related comments. Lately also here on hn.
- waboremo 3y ago
  Outside of buying accounts, some people literally just want control. For the same reason that people will spend countless hours moderating large subs for free. They want to push certain narratives on subs, so you'll see large accounts where all they post are generic filler distractions or inciteful links. It's not all super nefarious or political, often it's things like mindless fanboy wars, where they only post things that make their favorite companies look good. For others, they do it because getting upvotes and reddit awards makes them feel good. They see themselves as community pillars. I suppose this kind of feeds into the above reason in some ways. If you check /r/games today, you'll see one user is responsible for over half of the submissions. Such accounts are what I mean, where unless they have fine tuned a bot to such a degree, they're really just someone with a little bit too much time on their hands.
z3c0 3y ago
> Each one garnered the same hundreds of upvotes as the original What's sad is how many of those aren't bots. It's not uncommon for karma farmers to have their bots upvote each other, but it isn't cost effective to have hundreds (a 1 year old reddit account can run you approx $10 for 1000 post karma). The sad reality is that of those hundreds of upvotes, almost all represent a person who fell for it. As the saying goes "a lie can be halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on".
- aryan14 3y ago
  > (a 1 year old reddit account can run you approx $10 for 1000 post karma). Someone who bought a reddit account here, I bought a 2 year old aged account with around 3000 post karma for $10. The karma has lost its value.
  - transcriptase 3y ago
    Without judging and out of pure curiosity, can I ask why?
flomo 3y ago
> I’ve seen entire comment chains on a repost that were re-created verbatim from an older post. I have seen this happen on one of those (former) small niche cozy subs, where it is small enough that people notice their content being recycled. No idea what the goal might be, so I wonder if it is a platform feature to pump-up engagement by automatically reposting content.
monnok 3y ago
Lately, I’ve seen comments copied verbatim from lower in the very same comment section. They’ll find a comment with upvotes rising above its thread neighbors, but with the entire thread neighborhood buried at the bottom of the comment section. Then they’ll just staple that low comment as a response to some visible comment in a thread much higher up the comment section.

ilyt 3y ago

I wanted to make one for a joke and see how long it takes for people to notice but I guess people did that already for nefarious purposes. That was after I noticed that cat delivering bot I wrote for internal chat appears to have "infinity supply of cats" according to the users, while all it has is a ~200 long list of imgur links that never changes.