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Yeah I keep seeing this behavior here in the comments section. There are some real experts here for sure, but I think assuming you understand anything about som

by harha_ 3y ago

Yeah I keep seeing this behavior here in the comments section. There are some real experts here for sure, but I think assuming you understand anything about something as complex as this without extensive prior studies about the subject is just stupid. I'm tired of reasonably intelligent people extrapolating new information about any possible subject based on their very limited basic level knowledge combined with some new cool research paper headlines.

bluecalm 3y ago
On the other hand the opinions you get from medical professionals is garbage as well. Just try going to a few with the same problem and you will realize it. In my case I want to 5 doctors with my knee issue and got 5 different diagnosis/treatments. One wanted knee surgery. Another wanted hip (!?) surgery, one said it's about cartilage, another said it's muscle imbalance, another said it's my hip mobility (so surgery!). One did hyaluronic acid injections another recommended manual therapy done by his friend. The one who did the surgery I later learnt is not recommended anymore told me I will never be able to run/play sports anymore. I do 15 hours a week these days including running 100+km/month for almost 3 years (I switched to other sports now as I find them more fun). Another time I've done a routine blood test and PhD liver specialist with decades of experience thought my liver is damaged looking at the result. She didn't know that liver markers are elevated by strength training (which I mentioned to her) and the way to test for that is to test CK levels as well. She wanted to put me on meds as well. "Studies" mean very little. You can learn a lot from people who took time to read a literature and are good at critical thinking or you can easily be fooled by a confident educated moron with a PhD. I've learnt more about my issues from random internet forums than I've learnt from doctors and I really tried it with doctors.
- freedomben 3y ago
  Likewise. I spent 10 years and many tens of thousands of dollars (after insurance) seeing a dozen or more doctors and they mostly all reached different conclusions and mostly all were wrong. Modern medicine is great at treating wounds, but primitive at actually understanding how the body works and figuring out complex interactions. I'm no expert but I have spent thousands of hours researching looking for my own answers, and I think the human body and the many interactions between pieces is just too complex for individual humans to understand. I think with the help of machines/computers we'll get there, but we are definitely not there yet and a huge heap of humility would serve us well.

by harha_ 3y ago

bluecalm 3y ago

On the other hand the opinions you get from medical professionals is garbage as well. Just try going to a few with the same problem and you will realize it. In my case I want to 5 doctors with my knee issue and got 5 different diagnosis/treatments. One wanted knee surgery. Another wanted hip (!?) surgery, one said it's about cartilage, another said it's muscle imbalance, another said it's my hip mobility (so surgery!). One did hyaluronic acid injections another recommended manual therapy done by his friend. The one who did the surgery I later learnt is not recommended anymore told me I will never be able to run/play sports anymore. I do 15 hours a week these days including running 100+km/month for almost 3 years (I switched to other sports now as I find them more fun). Another time I've done a routine blood test and PhD liver specialist with decades of experience thought my liver is damaged looking at the result. She didn't know that liver markers are elevated by strength training (which I mentioned to her) and the way to test for that is to test CK levels as well. She wanted to put me on meds as well. "Studies" mean very little. You can learn a lot from people who took time to read a literature and are good at critical thinking or you can easily be fooled by a confident educated moron with a PhD. I've learnt more about my issues from random internet forums than I've learnt from doctors and I really tried it with doctors.

freedomben 3y ago
Likewise. I spent 10 years and many tens of thousands of dollars (after insurance) seeing a dozen or more doctors and they mostly all reached different conclusions and mostly all were wrong. Modern medicine is great at treating wounds, but primitive at actually understanding how the body works and figuring out complex interactions. I'm no expert but I have spent thousands of hours researching looking for my own answers, and I think the human body and the many interactions between pieces is just too complex for individual humans to understand. I think with the help of machines/computers we'll get there, but we are definitely not there yet and a huge heap of humility would serve us well.