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Extending the blackout indefinitely has now become a coordinated action via /r/ModCoord (which is the also the source of the list of blacked out subreddits that

by kibwen 3y ago

Extending the blackout indefinitely has now become a coordinated action via /r/ModCoord (which is the also the source of the list of blacked out subreddits that people are using), with an optional "solidarity mode" that involves blacking out one day a week in perpetuity (which they're calling "Touch Grass Tuesdays"): https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/148ks6u/indefinite_blackout_next_steps_polling_your/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/148ks6u/indefinit...

mr_00ff00 3y ago
The irony of organizing a blackout to teach Reddit a lesson while organizing it on a subreddit.
- mrits 3y ago
  It isn't irony at all. Reddit gets almost zero revenue from the sub organizing it. People aren't protesting Reddit in general, but a policy of reddit.
  - mr_00ff00 3y ago
    It’s not about revenue. As people have mentioned already, the CEO said the blackout has had almost no revenue impact. it’s funny to create a protest and hoping for change by showing Reddit that the community can walk away…and then using reddit to organize it. You are basically showing you can’t think of any good alternatives to organizing or chatting with people. So you will continue to use Reddit, even during a protest specifically about not using reddit. “we will leave you if you treat us badly” and then also “I have to use your product cause I can’t find anything else.” Doesn’t work well together.
    - kibwen 3y ago
      ...Except that /r/ModCoord does have other venues, like the Discord linked in the sidebar. They mirror announcements to Reddit because that's the only place that's guaranteed to reach everyone involved, who are on Reddit by definition.
      - mr_00ff00 3y ago
        Sure, but shouldn’t they all not be on Reddit by definition?
      - George83728 3y ago
        If they don't need reddit, then they should stop using it to demonstrate that point. > "I'm not addicted, I can quit anytime I want." > "Okay then, prove it and quit today." > "....No."
        FemmeAndroid 3y ago
        > If they don't need reddit, then they should stop using it to demonstrate that point. Why wouldn’t you use every available, easy to use mechanism to broadcast a message? Clearly the actual organizing is happening on a variety of channels including Discord.
        mr_00ff00 3y ago
        Because the message is “don’t use Reddit” Use every available and easy mechanism, unless your protest is about one of them.
        George83728 3y ago
        > Why wouldn’t you use every available, easy to use mechanism to broadcast a message? Because continuing to use reddit broadcasts a different sort of message: they're a bunch of addicts who will come crawling back. > Clearly the actual organizing is happening on a variety of channels including Discord. All the more reason for them to quit using reddit...
  - cpeterso 3y ago
    The irony is that there is no viable alternative platform for the mods to organize on, demonstrating that Reddit has the market position to set high prices if they want to.
    - mrits 3y ago
      It doesn't take an intellectual giant to realize they are organizing on Discord.
smsm42 3y ago
This sounds like finding ways to fold without it looking like they folded. The question is simple - can they live with the new situation or not? If they are willing to, then protesting on Tuesdays is not going to do much. If they are not, then they are not on every day, not only Tuesday. I don't endorse either side here, but looking realistically, it's either win - Reddit changes their behavior to more acceptable - or loss - Reddit doesn't. Solidarity Tuesdays are just a form of the loss where people still pretend it's not lost yet.
- kibwen 3y ago
  For reference, 93% of the responses there so far are for indefinite blackout, and only 7% are for weekly blackouts.
- wlonkly 3y ago
  There are a handful of subreddits (for example, one for recovering alcoholics, one for legal advice) that have decided that their value to the community is higher than the value of staying closed. So I think if it does get extended then the eventual outcome is that "general" subreddits will remain closed, and those dealing with, for lack of a better phrase, vulnerable communities, will show solidarity with weekly blackout days instead.
jmclnx 3y ago
Funny you linked old.reddit, I find the new version unusable via firefox (I do not do mobile).

by kibwen 3y ago

mr_00ff00 3y ago

The irony of organizing a blackout to teach Reddit a lesson while organizing it on a subreddit.

mrits 3y ago
It isn't irony at all. Reddit gets almost zero revenue from the sub organizing it. People aren't protesting Reddit in general, but a policy of reddit.
- mr_00ff00 3y ago
  It’s not about revenue. As people have mentioned already, the CEO said the blackout has had almost no revenue impact. it’s funny to create a protest and hoping for change by showing Reddit that the community can walk away…and then using reddit to organize it. You are basically showing you can’t think of any good alternatives to organizing or chatting with people. So you will continue to use Reddit, even during a protest specifically about not using reddit. “we will leave you if you treat us badly” and then also “I have to use your product cause I can’t find anything else.” Doesn’t work well together.
  - kibwen 3y ago
    ...Except that /r/ModCoord does have other venues, like the Discord linked in the sidebar. They mirror announcements to Reddit because that's the only place that's guaranteed to reach everyone involved, who are on Reddit by definition.
    - mr_00ff00 3y ago
      Sure, but shouldn’t they all not be on Reddit by definition?
    - George83728 3y ago
      If they don't need reddit, then they should stop using it to demonstrate that point. > "I'm not addicted, I can quit anytime I want." > "Okay then, prove it and quit today." > "....No."
      - FemmeAndroid 3y ago
        > If they don't need reddit, then they should stop using it to demonstrate that point. Why wouldn’t you use every available, easy to use mechanism to broadcast a message? Clearly the actual organizing is happening on a variety of channels including Discord.
        mr_00ff00 3y ago
        Because the message is “don’t use Reddit” Use every available and easy mechanism, unless your protest is about one of them.
        George83728 3y ago
        > Why wouldn’t you use every available, easy to use mechanism to broadcast a message? Because continuing to use reddit broadcasts a different sort of message: they're a bunch of addicts who will come crawling back. > Clearly the actual organizing is happening on a variety of channels including Discord. All the more reason for them to quit using reddit...
- cpeterso 3y ago
  The irony is that there is no viable alternative platform for the mods to organize on, demonstrating that Reddit has the market position to set high prices if they want to.
  - mrits 3y ago
    It doesn't take an intellectual giant to realize they are organizing on Discord.

smsm42 3y ago

This sounds like finding ways to fold without it looking like they folded. The question is simple - can they live with the new situation or not? If they are willing to, then protesting on Tuesdays is not going to do much. If they are not, then they are not on every day, not only Tuesday. I don't endorse either side here, but looking realistically, it's either win - Reddit changes their behavior to more acceptable - or loss - Reddit doesn't. Solidarity Tuesdays are just a form of the loss where people still pretend it's not lost yet.

kibwen 3y ago
For reference, 93% of the responses there so far are for indefinite blackout, and only 7% are for weekly blackouts.
wlonkly 3y ago
There are a handful of subreddits (for example, one for recovering alcoholics, one for legal advice) that have decided that their value to the community is higher than the value of staying closed. So I think if it does get extended then the eventual outcome is that "general" subreddits will remain closed, and those dealing with, for lack of a better phrase, vulnerable communities, will show solidarity with weekly blackout days instead.

jmclnx 3y ago

Funny you linked old.reddit, I find the new version unusable via firefox (I do not do mobile).