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How are malls against urban planning? Seems like kind of the opposite no? All the stores you need to visit in one place. As long as they're close to where you l
by xeromal 3y ago
How are malls against urban planning? Seems like kind of the opposite no? All the stores you need to visit in one place. As long as they're close to where you live, seems like a win win to me.
- onlyrealcuzzo 3y agoIt's a win if you want to dedicate 50% of your city to roads and parking like LA does - a loss otherwise. YMMV
- CydeWeys 3y agoMany urban malls have no parking whatsoever. You get there by transit or walking. I think you're mistaking "mall" for "strip mall".
- onlyrealcuzzo 3y agoI think you're mistaking "urban mall" for "mall". At least in the US, the vast majority of "malls" include a massive belt of road around them for all the cars to get in & out, and a massive amount of parking, making walking and biking there or even transiting there unrealistic. Sure, you could have an "urban mall" with no parking, and that would be nice & pedestrian. But that's not the Westfield Malls in LA. Though, I'd imagine this would be illegal almost everywhere in the US due to parking minimums.
- estebank 3y ago> Sure, you could have an "urban mall" with no parking, and that would be nice & pedestrian. But that's not the Westfield Malls in LA. But it is what Westfield SF is. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Westfield+San+Francisco+Centre/@37.7841178,-122.408966,17z/data=!3m2!4b1!5s0x808580867221f5e3:0xe8c76fea3a7bfc5e!4m6!3m5!1s0x80858085de1e33eb:0x1a31405067f79d69!8m2!3d37.7841178!4d-122.4063857!16zL20vMGJ6Ymx3?entry=ttu https://www.google.com/maps/place/Westfield+San+Francisco+Ce...
- CydeWeys 3y agoWhy are you talking about suburban malls in LA? That's not what this discussion is about.
- onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago> All of Rick Caruso's malls in LA are, to be sure, probably profitable but terrible in terms of urban planning. That's the comment I was responding to.
- ribosometronome 3y agoIt doesn't have to be that way. Singapore is essentially half city-state/half-mall and manages to avoid this problem pretty well.
- xeromal 3y agoI'm just saying the notion of a mall is conducive to urban life if it's designed right. I mean it in the simplest sense. Multiple businesses of many types of categories located in the same building. Parking or location isn't in my comment.
- caycep 3y agoIt consumes large amounts of land into this one monolithic planned area beholden to one property owner, and yes, all issues w/ parking, etc. I would rather have a vibrant network of street-level properties w/ a healthy ecosystem of individual property owners surrounding a mass transit hub (i.e. LA metro stations if the metro can ever be developed to be useful...) The Caruso malls are imposing, Mordor like fortresses that gives the middle finger to the communities around it. Once inside, people with money can enjoy whatever corporate chain stores that can afford Caruso's rent and the property manager's whims.
- xeromal 3y agoMy single argument is that malls can fit inside an urban environment. None of your points really matter for that reason.
- caycep 3y agoconsidering the Grove and the Americana/Galleria wipe out 15-17 acres each of potential high density mixed use residential/commercial space in the heart of LA, all in the name of luxury shopping/parking, I would say they do.
- xeromal 3y agoI'm saying it's possible. I didn't say the Grove/Americana are shining examples.