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When are people going to grow a backbone and switch to Linux? It's kind of hard to feel sorry for tech-literate Windows users

NotYourLawyer 3y ago
When my job starts supporting that?
- isoprophlex 3y ago
  I don't know your circumstances of course, but I'm anal enough about this that I'd consider that a deal breaker. An employer that forces me to use an OS that treats me like the audience to a television soap opera (meaning, a dumb shmuck who can be puppeted around) is not worth it, it'll kill my joy in working real quick. Tried it, it was horror. So right now, I'd say I'd rather drink my own piss than use a windows box as my daily workstation.
  - PascLeRasc 3y ago
    How are you verifying this in job interviews? Not using Windows is at the top of my list of wants in a new job, to me it'd be as good as a $10k raise. But I'm aware that asking about this during an interview sounds petty.
    - isoprophlex 3y ago
      I get that, I felt petty too, but I'm much more productive, and much happier without windows. So you gotta frame it like that. "The cloud runs on linux, I'm most productive when developing natively on something close to where we deploy, can I not use windows?", or, "I have years of bash muscle memory and automate a great deal of mundane tasks, is it okay if I use linux?" Or otherwise make it a gentle enquiry, "I see you provide laptops, can I get a linux/Mac machine to work on?" Framing is key ;) Edit: personally I outright asked "can I choose my own OS, I can't deal with windows, it makes my head hurt" or something like that. If you have the confidence just tell em how it is.
      - PascLeRasc 3y ago
        That's how I've been framing it too, something like "I do my best work on Linux/Mac". A couple places that have seemed otherwise fine have acted weird though, Tesla especially.
        intelVISA 3y ago
        You've just exposed yourself as a free-thinker. Lots of corps consider that to be a gigantic red flag unfortunately.
  - NotYourLawyer 3y ago
    I’m a lawyer, not a dev. It’s a different world.
- BasedAnon 3y ago
  Unless you're struggling for money, would you seriously consider a job that expects you to be watched constantly by strangers?
  - ss48 3y ago
    If it's a work computer, I expect nothing less. Since remote work, there is a lot more invasive tracking software used by companies, often owned by third parties. If I want to browse anything personal, I would do it with a phone. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/podcasts/the-daily/workplace-surveillance-productivity-tracking.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/podcasts/the-daily/workpl...
V__ 3y ago
Different people will have different reasons, but if you are curious, these are mine (I'm generalizing a bit): * I don't want to use the terminal at all if possible. Not to configure my OS, not to do basic stuff which Win can do with a few clicks. I'm in awe how fast and efficient some people are with it, but if I need it at most once or twice a day, it's a nuisance. * No binaries. I don't want to compile software ever. * Packages and dependencies. * Game compatibility. But apparently not for much longer. * The problems I have with Win10 have been solved by running a debloater once after installing it.
- dustyharddrive 3y ago
  > No binaries There are so many binary packaging formats available, almost to a fault.
- replaceusb 3y ago
  All of those have been non issues and I have been daily driving linux for several years now. The only few things I do from terminal is updates, because I do not want to load application icons from the update manager. My bandwidth is metered most of the time due to travel. Doing it from terminal is text based. I cannot remember the last time I had to compile anything that wasn't related to something I was tinkering with out of curiosity. I wanted to compile those things. Package and dependencies are issues on windows as well. The builtin application manager takes care of those? So I am not understanding that complaint. Aside from a handful of multiplayer games that do run, you just cant play due to anticheat software not working. Every game in my steam library, and GOG has worked without issue through wine/proton. Native games also work great. The problems I have with windows 10/11 even after running those is all the data it is constantly sending. Again I am on a metered network so MBs count. You cannot disable telemetry, you can only reduce how much is sent.
- silisili 3y ago
  1 - Depending on your job and habits, you really don't have to. The only time I use it anymore is for Git stuff, and even that isn't required, I just am used to it. 2 - It's very rare I compile anything, and it's never manual. I'm OK with the AUR. I use Yay so it's all seemless anyways. If I weren't and had a no compile no matter what mindsey, I'd probably just use Debian or Ubuntu or Fedora where you really never need to compile anything. Or use Flatpaks. 3 - I don't game, but from reading, that's really made a ton of strides lately.
deafpolygon 3y ago
> When are people going to grow a backbone and switch to Linux? When Linux becomes an actual viable platform for getting work done.
npteljes 3y ago
The same day all evangelists are going to be nice. So, never. As long as businesses continue to exploit human weaknesses legally, they'll continue to do so, because it either brings in profit, and/or helps them stay competitive. And the users are going to be human: vulnerable, and also having priorities other than the latest shenanigan of a mega-corp.

NotYourLawyer 3y ago

When my job starts supporting that?

isoprophlex 3y ago
I don't know your circumstances of course, but I'm anal enough about this that I'd consider that a deal breaker. An employer that forces me to use an OS that treats me like the audience to a television soap opera (meaning, a dumb shmuck who can be puppeted around) is not worth it, it'll kill my joy in working real quick. Tried it, it was horror. So right now, I'd say I'd rather drink my own piss than use a windows box as my daily workstation.
- PascLeRasc 3y ago
  How are you verifying this in job interviews? Not using Windows is at the top of my list of wants in a new job, to me it'd be as good as a $10k raise. But I'm aware that asking about this during an interview sounds petty.
  - isoprophlex 3y ago
    I get that, I felt petty too, but I'm much more productive, and much happier without windows. So you gotta frame it like that. "The cloud runs on linux, I'm most productive when developing natively on something close to where we deploy, can I not use windows?", or, "I have years of bash muscle memory and automate a great deal of mundane tasks, is it okay if I use linux?" Or otherwise make it a gentle enquiry, "I see you provide laptops, can I get a linux/Mac machine to work on?" Framing is key ;) Edit: personally I outright asked "can I choose my own OS, I can't deal with windows, it makes my head hurt" or something like that. If you have the confidence just tell em how it is.
    - PascLeRasc 3y ago
      That's how I've been framing it too, something like "I do my best work on Linux/Mac". A couple places that have seemed otherwise fine have acted weird though, Tesla especially.
      - intelVISA 3y ago
        You've just exposed yourself as a free-thinker. Lots of corps consider that to be a gigantic red flag unfortunately.
- NotYourLawyer 3y ago
  I’m a lawyer, not a dev. It’s a different world.
BasedAnon 3y ago
Unless you're struggling for money, would you seriously consider a job that expects you to be watched constantly by strangers?
- ss48 3y ago
  If it's a work computer, I expect nothing less. Since remote work, there is a lot more invasive tracking software used by companies, often owned by third parties. If I want to browse anything personal, I would do it with a phone. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/podcasts/the-daily/workplace-surveillance-productivity-tracking.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/podcasts/the-daily/workpl...

V__ 3y ago

Different people will have different reasons, but if you are curious, these are mine (I'm generalizing a bit): * I don't want to use the terminal at all if possible. Not to configure my OS, not to do basic stuff which Win can do with a few clicks. I'm in awe how fast and efficient some people are with it, but if I need it at most once or twice a day, it's a nuisance. * No binaries. I don't want to compile software ever. * Packages and dependencies. * Game compatibility. But apparently not for much longer. * The problems I have with Win10 have been solved by running a debloater once after installing it.

dustyharddrive 3y ago
> No binaries There are so many binary packaging formats available, almost to a fault.
replaceusb 3y ago
All of those have been non issues and I have been daily driving linux for several years now. The only few things I do from terminal is updates, because I do not want to load application icons from the update manager. My bandwidth is metered most of the time due to travel. Doing it from terminal is text based. I cannot remember the last time I had to compile anything that wasn't related to something I was tinkering with out of curiosity. I wanted to compile those things. Package and dependencies are issues on windows as well. The builtin application manager takes care of those? So I am not understanding that complaint. Aside from a handful of multiplayer games that do run, you just cant play due to anticheat software not working. Every game in my steam library, and GOG has worked without issue through wine/proton. Native games also work great. The problems I have with windows 10/11 even after running those is all the data it is constantly sending. Again I am on a metered network so MBs count. You cannot disable telemetry, you can only reduce how much is sent.
silisili 3y ago
1 - Depending on your job and habits, you really don't have to. The only time I use it anymore is for Git stuff, and even that isn't required, I just am used to it. 2 - It's very rare I compile anything, and it's never manual. I'm OK with the AUR. I use Yay so it's all seemless anyways. If I weren't and had a no compile no matter what mindsey, I'd probably just use Debian or Ubuntu or Fedora where you really never need to compile anything. Or use Flatpaks. 3 - I don't game, but from reading, that's really made a ton of strides lately.

deafpolygon 3y ago

> When are people going to grow a backbone and switch to Linux? When Linux becomes an actual viable platform for getting work done.

npteljes 3y ago

The same day all evangelists are going to be nice. So, never. As long as businesses continue to exploit human weaknesses legally, they'll continue to do so, because it either brings in profit, and/or helps them stay competitive. And the users are going to be human: vulnerable, and also having priorities other than the latest shenanigan of a mega-corp.