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If you are not paying for your browser with your wallet, somebody else is paying for you. It has all sorts of implications.

janoc 3y ago
I didn't know that Windows is now free.
- einr 3y ago
  In practice it has been free for home users for many years. I assume the only reason they still keep up the facade that Windows costs money is so they can sell it to OEMs and volume licenses to businesses, which still makes them big bucks.
  - mr_toad 3y ago
    It only seems free for home use because the activation key for the home version is embedded in NVRAM of the machine by the OEM. You pay the OEM when you buy the machine, and they pay Microsoft.
    - einr 3y ago
      You pay the OEM once, for a Windows 7 key, and then you run on that -- because it keeps working, with Microsoft's implicit authorization -- for the next 15+ years. They 100% would not let you do that if they cared to charge for Windows like they did in the pre-Windows 8 days when Windows was the product and not the user's data.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Edge is cross platform.
  - account42 3y ago
    That's a technicality - who in their right mind is going to choose edge on other platform if they are not already used to it from Windows.
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      Enough users to justify the salary of the teams making it happen.
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago
  It's free if you're willing to break the EULA. I haven't paid for it. Just used some Win 7 CD key I found online and it activated.
  - hot_gril 3y ago
    Not even break EULA, just download from Microsoft and install without activating.
    - technothrasher 3y ago
      That is breaking the EULA: "You are authorized to use this software only if you are properly licensed and the software has been properly activated with a genuine product key or by other authorized method."
      - hot_gril 3y ago
        Ah, you're right. Wow, that EULA is very different from the reality of how people use it, and MSFT makes no attempt to enforce it.
        janoc 3y ago
        Ehm, I guess you have never heard about BSA raids, right?
reaperducer 3y ago
Which one is the browser that i can pay for and keep my privacy, then? Safari?
- BurningFrog 3y ago
  I'm told that browser is Brave
  - gaze 3y ago
    Unfortunately brave is forever cemented in my mind as being linked to the brave shitcoin.
    - causi 3y ago
      Is the Brave shitcoin really worse than all the stupid-ass stunts and services Mozilla has pulled over the years?
      - michaelmrose 3y ago
        Integration of pocket never sent your data to pocket or made you use it. It's scandals are entirely boring.
      - gaze 3y ago
        I'm not saying better or worse, I'm just saying that it's an embarassment.
      - account42 3y ago
        "But that other guy is just as bad" is never a good argument.
    - StingyJelly 3y ago
      The opt-in brave shitcoin?
      - JPws_Prntr_Fngr 3y ago
dist-epoch 3y ago
This is why I don't use Firefox/Chrome/Edge or Linux. I don't want to be the product.
- michaelmrose 3y ago
  Firefox has had minor missteps in the past but Linux and Firefox are not unsecure options despite being free and Microsoft isn't a safe option despite charging money. Your algorithm is fairly broken.
  - autoexec 3y ago
    Even with Linux you have to be careful. Some distros have pulled shit like sending local searches to remote servers so that they can push amazon ads at you (https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do). We have to watch everyone like a hawk these days.
    - michaelmrose 3y ago
      Some distros is one of the major distros once in 30 years 10 years ago.
- TheNewsIsHere 3y ago
  Where in Linux is the user generally the product?
  - hexo 3y ago
    ubuntu
    - pessimizer 3y ago
      ouch
  - hospitalJail 3y ago
    Users become lifelong converts and demand organizations convert until they have to give Linus money to fix problems. (25% /s)
autoexec 3y ago
I doesn't matter how much you pay for something, they'll still collect all the data on you that they can because you can never pay more than they'd make taking your money and also collecting your data.
bagacrap 3y ago
Which browser are you paying for with your wallet
npteljes 3y ago
This is a bad take, because many products are not free, and you still get shafted with surveillance, ads and more. Windows is one example, but there's also cable TV subscriptions, smart TVs, many modern games on phones and PC.
Chocobean 3y ago
hey I've got a question about Kagi: so, a bunch of third party apps made for Reddit are getting killed this month because Reddit decides to jack up the prices. What's going to happen to Kagi if/when it becomes somewhat of a competitor to Google/Bing and they want it dead?

janoc 3y ago

I didn't know that Windows is now free.

einr 3y ago
In practice it has been free for home users for many years. I assume the only reason they still keep up the facade that Windows costs money is so they can sell it to OEMs and volume licenses to businesses, which still makes them big bucks.
- mr_toad 3y ago
  It only seems free for home use because the activation key for the home version is embedded in NVRAM of the machine by the OEM. You pay the OEM when you buy the machine, and they pay Microsoft.
  - einr 3y ago
    You pay the OEM once, for a Windows 7 key, and then you run on that -- because it keeps working, with Microsoft's implicit authorization -- for the next 15+ years. They 100% would not let you do that if they cared to charge for Windows like they did in the pre-Windows 8 days when Windows was the product and not the user's data.
pjmlp 3y ago
Edge is cross platform.
- account42 3y ago
  That's a technicality - who in their right mind is going to choose edge on other platform if they are not already used to it from Windows.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    Enough users to justify the salary of the teams making it happen.
ChuckNorris89 3y ago
It's free if you're willing to break the EULA. I haven't paid for it. Just used some Win 7 CD key I found online and it activated.
- hot_gril 3y ago
  Not even break EULA, just download from Microsoft and install without activating.
  - technothrasher 3y ago
    That is breaking the EULA: "You are authorized to use this software only if you are properly licensed and the software has been properly activated with a genuine product key or by other authorized method."
    - hot_gril 3y ago
      Ah, you're right. Wow, that EULA is very different from the reality of how people use it, and MSFT makes no attempt to enforce it.
      - janoc 3y ago
        Ehm, I guess you have never heard about BSA raids, right?

reaperducer 3y ago

Which one is the browser that i can pay for and keep my privacy, then? Safari?

BurningFrog 3y ago
I'm told that browser is Brave
- gaze 3y ago
  Unfortunately brave is forever cemented in my mind as being linked to the brave shitcoin.
  - causi 3y ago
    Is the Brave shitcoin really worse than all the stupid-ass stunts and services Mozilla has pulled over the years?
    - michaelmrose 3y ago
      Integration of pocket never sent your data to pocket or made you use it. It's scandals are entirely boring.
    - gaze 3y ago
      I'm not saying better or worse, I'm just saying that it's an embarassment.
    - account42 3y ago
      "But that other guy is just as bad" is never a good argument.
  - StingyJelly 3y ago
    The opt-in brave shitcoin?
    - JPws_Prntr_Fngr 3y ago

dist-epoch 3y ago

This is why I don't use Firefox/Chrome/Edge or Linux. I don't want to be the product.

michaelmrose 3y ago
Firefox has had minor missteps in the past but Linux and Firefox are not unsecure options despite being free and Microsoft isn't a safe option despite charging money. Your algorithm is fairly broken.
- autoexec 3y ago
  Even with Linux you have to be careful. Some distros have pulled shit like sending local searches to remote servers so that they can push amazon ads at you (https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do). We have to watch everyone like a hawk these days.
  - michaelmrose 3y ago
    Some distros is one of the major distros once in 30 years 10 years ago.
TheNewsIsHere 3y ago
Where in Linux is the user generally the product?
- hexo 3y ago
  ubuntu
  - pessimizer 3y ago
    ouch
- hospitalJail 3y ago
  Users become lifelong converts and demand organizations convert until they have to give Linus money to fix problems. (25% /s)

autoexec 3y ago

I doesn't matter how much you pay for something, they'll still collect all the data on you that they can because you can never pay more than they'd make taking your money and also collecting your data.

bagacrap 3y ago

Which browser are you paying for with your wallet

npteljes 3y ago

This is a bad take, because many products are not free, and you still get shafted with surveillance, ads and more. Windows is one example, but there's also cable TV subscriptions, smart TVs, many modern games on phones and PC.

Chocobean 3y ago

hey I've got a question about Kagi: so, a bunch of third party apps made for Reddit are getting killed this month because Reddit decides to jack up the prices. What's going to happen to Kagi if/when it becomes somewhat of a competitor to Google/Bing and they want it dead?