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Yeah, it's a sad state of affairs honestly and I hate how the American culture wars are seeping into the mainstream here in Europe. A lot of these things are co

Yeah, it's a sad state of affairs honestly and I hate how the American culture wars are seeping into the mainstream here in Europe. A lot of these things are completely irrelevant to life here but it seems like a certain subset of people lap it up. For instance, "Woke" has been a huge topic here in Norway the past ~3 months which is funny as it's close to completely irrelevant for the day to day life of 99.9% of Norwegians. I blame the shifting media incentives and hope that some new platforms pop up, or that the mainstream audience just gets tired of it and stops using it (but due to the addictive nature of these platforms I doubt that honestly..)

FlyingSnake 3y ago
It's not only EU/ANZ that's receiving them. I have seen Indians also aware of US cultural jargons like Wokeism, TRAs and what not. This is indeed a weird phase.
- screye 3y ago
  India's most elite have blindly imported Oxford/Cambridge culture to India for a good century. Doubly, social justice issues have been a major part of Indian political discourse for a good century too. So it's not surprising at all. What is surprising is how anyone who doesn't use "Pure English" is seen as less than in these circles. Local Indian primary source work is underrated in favor of sweeping generalizations made at invited talks in western universities. It is changing now, but mostly because the new 'tech money' is questioning the elite status of the previous class and soft replacing them.
  - FlyingSnake 3y ago
    > India’s elite have blindly imported Oxford/Cambridge culture… It’s changing rapidly and BBC accent isn’t cool anymore with the rise of a new class of self made elites. https://youtu.be/RNJ7yxJgcXo https://youtu.be/RNJ7yxJgcXo
thumbuddy 3y ago
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creshal 3y ago
> For instance, "Woke" has been a huge topic here in Norway the past ~3 months which is funny as it's close to completely irrelevant for the day to day life of 99.9% of Norwegians. It gets worse when American-Left wokeism completely disregards the native culture and tries to invent racism when there was none, creating unnecessary racial conflict through their shitstorms. E.g. the American Left is now trying to cancel "blackface" in German Christmas traditions, where the whole point was to highlight that yes, Africans were important in early Christianity and equal to other races (but there weren't enough people with the right skin colour around, so make-up had to make do). But no, black representation is, apparently, more racist than pretending everyone in the bible is white.
- throwing-away 3y ago
  White people painting themselves black is not black representation regardless of the historical justification or US culture. Calling this out and asking for traditions to stop or adjust is not "woke".
  - creshal 3y ago
    > White people painting themselves black is not black representation You have a lot of small countryside villages where no black people live. One of the three magi you need in your school play about Christmas is, by tradition, considered to be black. What other solution do you suggest to represent that?
    - throwing-away 3y ago
      Don't paint the kid black and leave the nativity play as-is? If the goal is to teach them that the people in the biblical stories weren't all white I'm sure there's plenty of other better ways than putting one of them in blackface. Traditions are not sacred, and can and do change over time.
      - creshal 3y ago
        > Don't paint the kid black Why, other than because Americans have negative connotations with the practice? > I'm sure there's plenty of other better ways We're open for suggestions.
pjc50 3y ago
You want to be careful about that. The last time a Norwegian got radicalized by US anti-woke discourse it ended extremely badly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik (77 killed, 319 injured!) His manifesto cited and occasionally simply plagiarized various anti-muslim UK and US sources. Even apparently the Unabomber. A similar situation applied to the New Zealand mosque shooter. It's an impossible counter-factual to run, but if he had never been exposed to US discourse and we remove all the US sources from the manifesto .. would his terrorist attack have happened?
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  Fascism and Nazism weren't invented in the US, and they're still in Europe, albeit under different names. In the broader sense this reactionary stance is the same as the Jihad types in the middle east, albeit with less overly Muslim and more overtly Christian takes. Jihad vs. McWorld covered it decades ago.

FlyingSnake 3y ago

It's not only EU/ANZ that's receiving them. I have seen Indians also aware of US cultural jargons like Wokeism, TRAs and what not. This is indeed a weird phase.

screye 3y ago
India's most elite have blindly imported Oxford/Cambridge culture to India for a good century. Doubly, social justice issues have been a major part of Indian political discourse for a good century too. So it's not surprising at all. What is surprising is how anyone who doesn't use "Pure English" is seen as less than in these circles. Local Indian primary source work is underrated in favor of sweeping generalizations made at invited talks in western universities. It is changing now, but mostly because the new 'tech money' is questioning the elite status of the previous class and soft replacing them.
- FlyingSnake 3y ago
  > India’s elite have blindly imported Oxford/Cambridge culture… It’s changing rapidly and BBC accent isn’t cool anymore with the rise of a new class of self made elites. https://youtu.be/RNJ7yxJgcXo https://youtu.be/RNJ7yxJgcXo

thumbuddy 3y ago

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creshal 3y ago

> For instance, "Woke" has been a huge topic here in Norway the past ~3 months which is funny as it's close to completely irrelevant for the day to day life of 99.9% of Norwegians. It gets worse when American-Left wokeism completely disregards the native culture and tries to invent racism when there was none, creating unnecessary racial conflict through their shitstorms. E.g. the American Left is now trying to cancel "blackface" in German Christmas traditions, where the whole point was to highlight that yes, Africans were important in early Christianity and equal to other races (but there weren't enough people with the right skin colour around, so make-up had to make do). But no, black representation is, apparently, more racist than pretending everyone in the bible is white.

throwing-away 3y ago
White people painting themselves black is not black representation regardless of the historical justification or US culture. Calling this out and asking for traditions to stop or adjust is not "woke".
- creshal 3y ago
  > White people painting themselves black is not black representation You have a lot of small countryside villages where no black people live. One of the three magi you need in your school play about Christmas is, by tradition, considered to be black. What other solution do you suggest to represent that?
  - throwing-away 3y ago
    Don't paint the kid black and leave the nativity play as-is? If the goal is to teach them that the people in the biblical stories weren't all white I'm sure there's plenty of other better ways than putting one of them in blackface. Traditions are not sacred, and can and do change over time.
    - creshal 3y ago
      > Don't paint the kid black Why, other than because Americans have negative connotations with the practice? > I'm sure there's plenty of other better ways We're open for suggestions.

pjc50 3y ago

You want to be careful about that. The last time a Norwegian got radicalized by US anti-woke discourse it ended extremely badly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik (77 killed, 319 injured!) His manifesto cited and occasionally simply plagiarized various anti-muslim UK and US sources. Even apparently the Unabomber. A similar situation applied to the New Zealand mosque shooter. It's an impossible counter-factual to run, but if he had never been exposed to US discourse and we remove all the US sources from the manifesto .. would his terrorist attack have happened?

red-iron-pine 3y ago
Fascism and Nazism weren't invented in the US, and they're still in Europe, albeit under different names. In the broader sense this reactionary stance is the same as the Jihad types in the middle east, albeit with less overly Muslim and more overtly Christian takes. Jihad vs. McWorld covered it decades ago.