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The problem was that the epidemic started in the middle of the US election campaign. At some point the Trump team started to support the lab leak theory. And th

The problem was that the epidemic started in the middle of the US election campaign. At some point the Trump team started to support the lab leak theory. And then it became political; Biden supporters started framing them as conspiracy theorists, anybody who dared to support the leak theory was labeled as a Trump supporter etc. In China some people must have been amazed how the US was arranging such a thorough cover-up all by themselves.

shri_krishna 3y ago
> The problem was that the epidemic started in the middle of the US election campaign. At some point the Trump team started to support the lab leak theory. And then it became political; Biden supporters started framing them as conspiracy theorists, anybody who dared to support the leak theory was labeled as a Trump supporter etc. You hit the nail on the head. > In China some people must have been amazed how the US was arranging such a thorough cover-up all by themselves. Exactly. Even in India we were amazed by the cover-up. I am pretty sure every Asian country knew it was a cover-up. The very first reports on Coronavirus I came across was not even in the media. It was on a Korean Youtuber who posted regular video updates on the virus leak in China even before the news was picked up in the West. He was warning how CCP was arresting scientists who put out information about the virus and even sharing videos of doctors who had recorded themselves warning about the virus itself (one of the first few who treated patients of the virus and fell sick themselves). I can't, for the life of me, find that channel on Youtube anymore. But yeah there was, and still is, a lot of censorship aided and abetted by Big Tech.
- Jochim 3y ago
  > He was warning how CCP was arresting scientists who put out information about the virus and even sharing videos of doctors who had recorded themselves warning about the virus itself (one of the first few who treated patients of the virus and fell sick themselves). I can't, for the life of me, find that channel on Youtube anymore. But yeah there was, and still is, a lot of censorship aided and abetted by Big Tech. The death of the doctor was widely reported on throughout the pandemic[0][1][2]. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/06/whistleblower-chinese-doctor-dies-from-coronavirus https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/06/whistleblower-... [1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-whistleblower-doctor-feared-dead-wuhan/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-diseas... [2] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55963896 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55963896
  - shri_krishna 3y ago
    I am talking about before the mainstream media took it seriously (few days before that video of the doctor became viral). If I could find the Korean Youtuber I would have linked it here. Can't remember the name. The other prolific one who was giving daily updates was "Koreana Jones". Was following these two Youtubers for updates.
revelio 3y ago
Lab leak theory was suppressed worldwide, it wasn't just in the USA.
- misja111 3y ago
  I know, I live in Europe. But where I live in Europe we were simply following the pattern from the US; once the lab leak theory was linked to Trump, people supporting it were seen as Trump supporters. Trump isn't very popular in Europe as you might know, so this was enough to make most people be quiet.
- George83728 3y ago
  [Not] incidentally, around the world it's easy to find people who know more about American politics than their own local politics. I'm friends online with several Brazilians; they spend as much if not more time talking about Trump than Bolsonaro. Why is that? I think this is for a few reasons; America is a [the?] global hegemon; so American domestic politics have some earnest global relevance. But more than that; reporting one country's news is more efficient than reporting N countries' news. Fewer stories means fewer writers to pay, less research and investigation to do, etc. Furthermore people have an appetite for news, but a finite appetite; sate people with news about America and you'll have them thinking less about local issues. Therefore, news organizations in other countries have both an economic and political incentive to report American news instead of local news. What's more, America encourages this because for America it is a form of soft power to live rent-free in the minds of everybody else. Point is: when a narrative becomes taboo in American media, that's likely to rub off on the rest of the world. Particularly so in countries where a sizeable portion of the population consume at least some English-language media, participate on English-language forums, etc.
nonethewiser 3y ago
So basically the timeline is Orange Man Bad
randomperson01 3y ago
Good timeline here https://archive.is/zaBp6 https://archive.is/zaBp6

shri_krishna 3y ago

> The problem was that the epidemic started in the middle of the US election campaign. At some point the Trump team started to support the lab leak theory. And then it became political; Biden supporters started framing them as conspiracy theorists, anybody who dared to support the leak theory was labeled as a Trump supporter etc. You hit the nail on the head. > In China some people must have been amazed how the US was arranging such a thorough cover-up all by themselves. Exactly. Even in India we were amazed by the cover-up. I am pretty sure every Asian country knew it was a cover-up. The very first reports on Coronavirus I came across was not even in the media. It was on a Korean Youtuber who posted regular video updates on the virus leak in China even before the news was picked up in the West. He was warning how CCP was arresting scientists who put out information about the virus and even sharing videos of doctors who had recorded themselves warning about the virus itself (one of the first few who treated patients of the virus and fell sick themselves). I can't, for the life of me, find that channel on Youtube anymore. But yeah there was, and still is, a lot of censorship aided and abetted by Big Tech.

Jochim 3y ago
> He was warning how CCP was arresting scientists who put out information about the virus and even sharing videos of doctors who had recorded themselves warning about the virus itself (one of the first few who treated patients of the virus and fell sick themselves). I can't, for the life of me, find that channel on Youtube anymore. But yeah there was, and still is, a lot of censorship aided and abetted by Big Tech. The death of the doctor was widely reported on throughout the pandemic[0][1][2]. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/06/whistleblower-chinese-doctor-dies-from-coronavirus https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/06/whistleblower-... [1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-whistleblower-doctor-feared-dead-wuhan/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-diseas... [2] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55963896 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55963896
- shri_krishna 3y ago
  I am talking about before the mainstream media took it seriously (few days before that video of the doctor became viral). If I could find the Korean Youtuber I would have linked it here. Can't remember the name. The other prolific one who was giving daily updates was "Koreana Jones". Was following these two Youtubers for updates.

revelio 3y ago

Lab leak theory was suppressed worldwide, it wasn't just in the USA.

misja111 3y ago
I know, I live in Europe. But where I live in Europe we were simply following the pattern from the US; once the lab leak theory was linked to Trump, people supporting it were seen as Trump supporters. Trump isn't very popular in Europe as you might know, so this was enough to make most people be quiet.
George83728 3y ago
[Not] incidentally, around the world it's easy to find people who know more about American politics than their own local politics. I'm friends online with several Brazilians; they spend as much if not more time talking about Trump than Bolsonaro. Why is that? I think this is for a few reasons; America is a [the?] global hegemon; so American domestic politics have some earnest global relevance. But more than that; reporting one country's news is more efficient than reporting N countries' news. Fewer stories means fewer writers to pay, less research and investigation to do, etc. Furthermore people have an appetite for news, but a finite appetite; sate people with news about America and you'll have them thinking less about local issues. Therefore, news organizations in other countries have both an economic and political incentive to report American news instead of local news. What's more, America encourages this because for America it is a form of soft power to live rent-free in the minds of everybody else. Point is: when a narrative becomes taboo in American media, that's likely to rub off on the rest of the world. Particularly so in countries where a sizeable portion of the population consume at least some English-language media, participate on English-language forums, etc.

nonethewiser 3y ago

So basically the timeline is Orange Man Bad

randomperson01 3y ago

Good timeline here https://archive.is/zaBp6 https://archive.is/zaBp6