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> I'm somewhat surprised America doesn't restrict inbound and outbound flights from overflying Russia. That would make a lot of non-stops not viable. Russia is

> I'm somewhat surprised America doesn't restrict inbound and outbound flights from overflying Russia. That would make a lot of non-stops not viable. Russia is gigantic.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> would make a lot of non-stops not viable Between America and whom? The only places I'm imagining going nonviable are Central Asia. (China Airlines' New York <> Taipei is a 16-hour flight and doesn't overfly Russia.)
- FpUser 3y ago
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- Scoundreller 3y ago
  Air Canada used to have some direct flights Toronto<->Mumbai that are now unviable because of the russian airspace restrictions. So it now stops over in London under 5th freedom rights to refuel/load/unload passengers and continue. This London<->Mumbai leg is one of the few unusual routes that Air Canada flies that doesn't start or stop in Canada. (It probably could be viable direct with limited passengers/cargo, but financially unviable). https://onemileatatime.com/news/air-canada-london-mumbai-flight/ https://onemileatatime.com/news/air-canada-london-mumbai-fli... But if you fly this route on Air India, it's still non-stop, utilizing Russian airspace: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC188/history/20230610/1625Z/CYYZ/VIDP https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC188/history/20230610/...
- Scoundreller 3y ago
  Looks like United Airlines used to have an SFO-Delhi flight, last ran 15 months ago... UA867: https://www.flightera.net/en/flight/United+Airlines-San+Francisco-Delhi/UA867 https://www.flightera.net/en/flight/United+Airlines-San+Fran... It would need quite a diversion to avoid russian airspace: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=sfo-del http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=sfo-del Newark-Mumbai by United also cancelled: https://www.indianeagle.com/travelbeats/united-airlines-suspends-flights-india https://www.indianeagle.com/travelbeats/united-airlines-susp...
  - zokier 3y ago
    > It would need quite a diversion to avoid russian airspace: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=sfo-del http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=sfo-del sfo-cts-del is 9.9% longer according to that website, that doesn't seem that much especially if its just cruising.
    - Scoundreller 3y ago
      They were flying 787-9s, which per Wikipedia have a 7630 nautical mile range, longest of any 787 variant. Direct its 6700 nautical miles but with that routing it’s 7360. http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=sfo-Cts-del&MS=wls&DU=nm http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=sfo-Cts-del&MS=wls&DU=nm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner Add some winds, takeoffs/landings in the “wrong direction”, weather diversions and it probably needs a tech stop in at least one direction to do that routing. Maybe both. 777-200LR could do it easily, but United doesn’t operate any, and few others do https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_777_orders_and_deliveries https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_777_orders_an... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777
      - zokier 3y ago
        > 777-200LR could do it easily, but United doesn’t operate any, and few others do Well, of course the Air India plane where this discussion started was one of those 777s
        Scoundreller 3y ago
        United and Air India should trade aircraft ;)

> I'm somewhat surprised America doesn't restrict inbound and outbound flights from overflying Russia. That would make a lot of non-stops not viable. Russia is gigantic.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> would make a lot of non-stops not viable Between America and whom? The only places I'm imagining going nonviable are Central Asia. (China Airlines' New York <> Taipei is a 16-hour flight and doesn't overfly Russia.)

FpUser 3y ago
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Scoundreller 3y ago
Air Canada used to have some direct flights Toronto<->Mumbai that are now unviable because of the russian airspace restrictions. So it now stops over in London under 5th freedom rights to refuel/load/unload passengers and continue. This London<->Mumbai leg is one of the few unusual routes that Air Canada flies that doesn't start or stop in Canada. (It probably could be viable direct with limited passengers/cargo, but financially unviable). https://onemileatatime.com/news/air-canada-london-mumbai-flight/ https://onemileatatime.com/news/air-canada-london-mumbai-fli... But if you fly this route on Air India, it's still non-stop, utilizing Russian airspace: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC188/history/20230610/1625Z/CYYZ/VIDP https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC188/history/20230610/...
Scoundreller 3y ago
Looks like United Airlines used to have an SFO-Delhi flight, last ran 15 months ago... UA867: https://www.flightera.net/en/flight/United+Airlines-San+Francisco-Delhi/UA867 https://www.flightera.net/en/flight/United+Airlines-San+Fran... It would need quite a diversion to avoid russian airspace: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=sfo-del http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=sfo-del Newark-Mumbai by United also cancelled: https://www.indianeagle.com/travelbeats/united-airlines-suspends-flights-india https://www.indianeagle.com/travelbeats/united-airlines-susp...
- zokier 3y ago
  > It would need quite a diversion to avoid russian airspace: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=sfo-del http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=sfo-del sfo-cts-del is 9.9% longer according to that website, that doesn't seem that much especially if its just cruising.
  - Scoundreller 3y ago
    They were flying 787-9s, which per Wikipedia have a 7630 nautical mile range, longest of any 787 variant. Direct its 6700 nautical miles but with that routing it’s 7360. http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=sfo-Cts-del&MS=wls&DU=nm http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=sfo-Cts-del&MS=wls&DU=nm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner Add some winds, takeoffs/landings in the “wrong direction”, weather diversions and it probably needs a tech stop in at least one direction to do that routing. Maybe both. 777-200LR could do it easily, but United doesn’t operate any, and few others do https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_777_orders_and_deliveries https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_777_orders_an... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777
    - zokier 3y ago
      > 777-200LR could do it easily, but United doesn’t operate any, and few others do Well, of course the Air India plane where this discussion started was one of those 777s
      - Scoundreller 3y ago
        United and Air India should trade aircraft ;)