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We still don't know what happened to JFK, 60 years later.

by toomim 3y ago

th0ma5 3y ago
This is a really great point. And it may not be knowable beyond what we already know.
ajross 3y ago
Yikes. I mean, yes, in this sense you're right. We've never found conclusive disproof of the various conspiracy theories around the assassination and have been forced into a consensus that, y'know, Oswald shot him. But you don't believe that. And nothing is going to make you. So from you're perspective "we still don't know". WIV is going to be the same. You'll never get the disproof you demand, so you'll continue to disbelieve the consensus opinion. Yours is a world where disproof rules, and conspiracies are assumed true until proven false. I'm sure it's entertaining, but it's not "true" any more than mine is. In my world, Oswald probably shot JFK and covid was probably a natural virus, because those are the hypotheses that demand the least of the existing evidence. I'm willing to change my priors with more evidence, but not because of the lack of disproof of an entertaining counter-hypothesis.
- toomim 3y ago
  More to the point— the US Government still hasn't released the classified documents that describe what happened to JFK. I don't personally hold an opinion one way or another on JFK, but the fact is that the information on what happened still hasn't leaked out.
latency-guy2 3y ago
We also did not know that Cuba housed missles from Russia during the crisis. We also did not know to the extent that Cuba's leadership explicitly did have plans to strike the US alongside their Soviet allies. It took until 1992 for what appears to be the truth to be discovered, 3 decades with far more people involved in the process, and a much darker outcome than a man being assassinated.
- dekhn 3y ago
  The us had credible satellite evidence of soviets building housings for nuclear warheads in Cuba during and before the crisis. https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nsa/cuba_mis_cri/photos.htm https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nsa/cuba_mis_cri/photos.htm (perhaps I misunderstand your argument; 1992 was when our knowledge was formally confirmed, IIUC)
  - latency-guy2 3y ago
    We did not know the missles were already physically on Cuba. We thought we had successfully blocked transport. See McNamara's recollection of that meeting in 1992.

We still don't know what happened to JFK, 60 years later.

by toomim 3y ago

We still don't know what happened to JFK, 60 years later.

th0ma5 3y ago

This is a really great point. And it may not be knowable beyond what we already know.

ajross 3y ago

Yikes. I mean, yes, in this sense you're right. We've never found conclusive disproof of the various conspiracy theories around the assassination and have been forced into a consensus that, y'know, Oswald shot him. But you don't believe that. And nothing is going to make you. So from you're perspective "we still don't know". WIV is going to be the same. You'll never get the disproof you demand, so you'll continue to disbelieve the consensus opinion. Yours is a world where disproof rules, and conspiracies are assumed true until proven false. I'm sure it's entertaining, but it's not "true" any more than mine is. In my world, Oswald probably shot JFK and covid was probably a natural virus, because those are the hypotheses that demand the least of the existing evidence. I'm willing to change my priors with more evidence, but not because of the lack of disproof of an entertaining counter-hypothesis.

toomim 3y ago
More to the point— the US Government still hasn't released the classified documents that describe what happened to JFK. I don't personally hold an opinion one way or another on JFK, but the fact is that the information on what happened still hasn't leaked out.

latency-guy2 3y ago

We also did not know that Cuba housed missles from Russia during the crisis. We also did not know to the extent that Cuba's leadership explicitly did have plans to strike the US alongside their Soviet allies. It took until 1992 for what appears to be the truth to be discovered, 3 decades with far more people involved in the process, and a much darker outcome than a man being assassinated.

dekhn 3y ago
The us had credible satellite evidence of soviets building housings for nuclear warheads in Cuba during and before the crisis. https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nsa/cuba_mis_cri/photos.htm https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nsa/cuba_mis_cri/photos.htm (perhaps I misunderstand your argument; 1992 was when our knowledge was formally confirmed, IIUC)
- latency-guy2 3y ago
  We did not know the missles were already physically on Cuba. We thought we had successfully blocked transport. See McNamara's recollection of that meeting in 1992.