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I really recommend everyone listen to the 4 part series on MK Ultra from Behind The Bastards[1]. Its absolutely insane that the government did this and BTB real

I really recommend everyone listen to the 4 part series on MK Ultra from Behind The Bastards[1]. Its absolutely insane that the government did this and BTB really delves deep on how it all came about. [1] https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/part-one-mkultra-when-the-cia-tried-to-destroy-free-will/id1373812661?i=1000582269166 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/part-one-mkultra-when-...

krick 3y ago
I tried to listen BTB a couple of times, and while the topic and overall worldview they try to project is very interesting to me, the hosts of the podcast and the style of it makes it really hard and unpleasant to listen, and when after finishing a 4-hour long series on some person I ask myself: "So, what have I learned?" I often find that I really don't have anything to say in response. Except for 5-minute worth of basic biography facts from wikipedia (which I usually have to check anyways, to get a clearer picture) the rest mostly is hosts exchanging remarks like "geez, man, get a life! haha… what an asshole!" while the hosts being in fact the most disgusting assholes I ever heard, distastefully trying to make fun of most mundane, sensible life facts and decisions. I really wish there was something like BTB, but from… you know, better people.
- boppo1 3y ago
  Age of Napoleon isn't the same topic at all, but it's exactly the opposite tone. I've been glued to it lately. If you don't already know about Napoleon, this will probably scratch an itch for you.
- thunfischbrot 3y ago
  You put into words what I could not articulate. Having tried to get into it several times as well, I concluded they were going for a fast-paced conversation well-suited for a bar, not for substance.
- pitaj 3y ago
  Simply based on the people on Reddit and such that recommend this podcast, I knew that it was not for me.
- gloryjulio 3y ago
  Yes. That's why I avoid podcast. It's such a waste of time, and for what. Hope we have a good summary service. Maybe the new LLMs could help with that
- nicbou 3y ago
  You would like The Rest Is History more then. Two pleasant chaps talk about history with only light banter, and they're both historians. If you want banter, but not the mean and forced kind, The Dollop is a much better Behind The Bastards.
- areoform 3y ago
  What's interesting is that I've had the opposite experience! A lot of Behind The Bastards episodes are well cited and well researched. Robert often reads multiple books on a topic before presenting something, and often quotes researchers/historians whole paragraphs at a time. It's something that I've learned a lot from. The joking banter and tone helps it go down for me. I wouldn't be able to listen to these things otherwise. It's depressing to know the some totality of what we've done to each other.
- Yemeth 3y ago
  Thx for the analysis. This 'dudebro friends casual talk'-style makes a lot of podcasts hard to listen to – even when the topics are interesting. I get it. A well moderated podcast is hard work. Throwing random Wikipedia facts at each other is easy to do and long term listeners love all the in-jokes and the atmosphere of 'friends having fun'. Thankfully there are lots of well researched podcasts with a more 'professional' style.
nonethewiser 3y ago
Why should anyone assume the CIA or other agencies aren’t doing similar things now? They do these terrible things, completely get away with it without any repercussions or even remorse, and we assume that they aren’t doing similarly bad things anymore.
- dangitnotagain 3y ago
  CIA is a joke. This stuff isn’t done by 9 to 5’ers. Thought control is a full on secret society among us. They influence the government as the voices in the backs of their minds.
  - dangitnotagain 3y ago
    Geeze, taking a heavy karma hit for this one, let me explain that the CIA are a bunch of men who are employees. Thought control must be developed over years, or decades. One cannot be “hired” into this role and expect to be anything more than an instrument of another for at least ten years. The CIA unwittingly destroyed the lives of those among themselves with substantial experience. Now, minds hobbled, themselves thought controlled, they are men plied by this power with little means themselves for “getting out of their own heads.” For our minds are traps that most humans never escape. The government is not thought control. The government is thought controlled.
    - mtVessel 3y ago
      You may wish to get in the habit of saying "people" instead of "men", unless you meant males, specifically.
      - dangitnotagain 3y ago
        Nice catch, I say “men” when saying something hostile and “humans”, “people”, and “her” as a soft form. Thought control is a white American men conspiracy. These have waged a genocidal secret war on humanity, wiping out entire generations of “other kinds of people” who are aware of and could even perceive their presence.

krick 3y ago

I tried to listen BTB a couple of times, and while the topic and overall worldview they try to project is very interesting to me, the hosts of the podcast and the style of it makes it really hard and unpleasant to listen, and when after finishing a 4-hour long series on some person I ask myself: "So, what have I learned?" I often find that I really don't have anything to say in response. Except for 5-minute worth of basic biography facts from wikipedia (which I usually have to check anyways, to get a clearer picture) the rest mostly is hosts exchanging remarks like "geez, man, get a life! haha… what an asshole!" while the hosts being in fact the most disgusting assholes I ever heard, distastefully trying to make fun of most mundane, sensible life facts and decisions. I really wish there was something like BTB, but from… you know, better people.

boppo1 3y ago
Age of Napoleon isn't the same topic at all, but it's exactly the opposite tone. I've been glued to it lately. If you don't already know about Napoleon, this will probably scratch an itch for you.
thunfischbrot 3y ago
You put into words what I could not articulate. Having tried to get into it several times as well, I concluded they were going for a fast-paced conversation well-suited for a bar, not for substance.
pitaj 3y ago
Simply based on the people on Reddit and such that recommend this podcast, I knew that it was not for me.
gloryjulio 3y ago
Yes. That's why I avoid podcast. It's such a waste of time, and for what. Hope we have a good summary service. Maybe the new LLMs could help with that
nicbou 3y ago
You would like The Rest Is History more then. Two pleasant chaps talk about history with only light banter, and they're both historians. If you want banter, but not the mean and forced kind, The Dollop is a much better Behind The Bastards.
areoform 3y ago
What's interesting is that I've had the opposite experience! A lot of Behind The Bastards episodes are well cited and well researched. Robert often reads multiple books on a topic before presenting something, and often quotes researchers/historians whole paragraphs at a time. It's something that I've learned a lot from. The joking banter and tone helps it go down for me. I wouldn't be able to listen to these things otherwise. It's depressing to know the some totality of what we've done to each other.
Yemeth 3y ago
Thx for the analysis. This 'dudebro friends casual talk'-style makes a lot of podcasts hard to listen to – even when the topics are interesting. I get it. A well moderated podcast is hard work. Throwing random Wikipedia facts at each other is easy to do and long term listeners love all the in-jokes and the atmosphere of 'friends having fun'. Thankfully there are lots of well researched podcasts with a more 'professional' style.

nonethewiser 3y ago

Why should anyone assume the CIA or other agencies aren’t doing similar things now? They do these terrible things, completely get away with it without any repercussions or even remorse, and we assume that they aren’t doing similarly bad things anymore.

dangitnotagain 3y ago
CIA is a joke. This stuff isn’t done by 9 to 5’ers. Thought control is a full on secret society among us. They influence the government as the voices in the backs of their minds.
- dangitnotagain 3y ago
  Geeze, taking a heavy karma hit for this one, let me explain that the CIA are a bunch of men who are employees. Thought control must be developed over years, or decades. One cannot be “hired” into this role and expect to be anything more than an instrument of another for at least ten years. The CIA unwittingly destroyed the lives of those among themselves with substantial experience. Now, minds hobbled, themselves thought controlled, they are men plied by this power with little means themselves for “getting out of their own heads.” For our minds are traps that most humans never escape. The government is not thought control. The government is thought controlled.
  - mtVessel 3y ago
    You may wish to get in the habit of saying "people" instead of "men", unless you meant males, specifically.
    - dangitnotagain 3y ago
      Nice catch, I say “men” when saying something hostile and “humans”, “people”, and “her” as a soft form. Thought control is a white American men conspiracy. These have waged a genocidal secret war on humanity, wiping out entire generations of “other kinds of people” who are aware of and could even perceive their presence.