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It’s absolutely insane to see many parts of Reddit in open revolt. I think this is the worst it’s ever been. Worse than 2015, 2018, 2020…

ramraj07 3y ago
This is hopefully and likely going to be the biggest user revolt in the history of the internet. I'm sincerely hoping the cowards back down or my last favorite big place on the internet is also going to disappear.
yanderekko 3y ago
It might turn out to be one of the largest protests, but it's also one where there's a large gap between how passionate your average mod feels about the issues here vs. your average Reddit users. spez's recent comments have served to lower this gap, but probably not by that much. My guess is that if a lot of mods end up getting replaced over this, they won't be missed.
- flyinglizard 3y ago
  The contribution of content is very lopsided. I remember about 10% of the users writing at all and maybe 2% writing prolifically. You don’t need much to move the content somewhere else.
  - yanderekko 3y ago
    Sure, but since these changes aren't affecting many users I'm not sure why this would happen. It seems to mostly be wishful thinking on the hopes of activists that this will cause some sort of massive brand damage, or even the sort of advertiser revolt that Twitter has faced. But that would require a lot more mismanagement from spez, I'd guess.
    - mlyle 3y ago
      For a long time, Apple kept the option to receive plain text emails when almost everyone else had moved to HTML. Why? Because there was a crucial slice of unix-y developers who liked it that way, who were an important segment. Even though third party apps might be 3% of users, I'm guessing that the users that are passionate enough about Reddit to find/seek out the best app/pay for app subscriptions/etc are much more likely to be those critical 2% of prolific contributors.
    - makeitdouble 3y ago
      > Sure, but since these changes aren't affecting many users I'm not sure why this would happen. I'm curious about how you count the number of users affected. 3rd party apps users are at a first order, but as those also included mod tools, any subs that had admins relying on these tools are also affected. And sure reddit is promising adjustments, but at this points those are just vague promise, and looking at the CEO you wouldn't trust these promises much. Then as those subs go dark, if the mods are replaced, you also potentially get way worse moderation all around. From that POV, the number of affected users feels pretty huge to me...
- teraflop 3y ago
  FWIW, in almost every subreddit where I've seen an announcement that they're doing dark, user sentiment has been overwhelmingly on the mods' side. In fact, in a number of cases, when the mods have said they're shutting down for 48 hours, there have been highly-upvoted comments from users saying that's not long enough.
  - GravitasFailure 3y ago
    As a counterpoint, the users that don't care about the changes simply...don't care. There is no impetus to come out in force and massively upvote or downvote anything about the protests, they're simply getting on with their days and will be back to business as usual when the subs come back, filling the time during the protest with other subs that aren't going dark. How efficacious this all proves to be will be interesting to discover.
  - Ekaros 3y ago
    Mods are going dark... So who says they have not been moderating views opposing this? They have the tools and they probably have the will? Also we need to remember that in general they support authoritarianism and are against free speech...
bottlepalm 3y ago
Reddit is full of easily mobilized young people looking for a 'cause'. It's funny and hypocritical because not one of those Reddit users would ever run their own company in a way that allowed third parties to freely redistribute and profit off their data, but it's wrong for Reddit to somehow. It's like they have no idea how businesses stay in business.. not surprising really. They're going to burn down Reddit to defend someone who was asking for a $10 million buy out to screw them over and shut down the Apollo app anyways.
- maaanu 3y ago
  Do you have proof that all the uproar is caused by young people? Because I do not think that reddits user base is young compared to ig or tiktok.

ramraj07 3y ago

This is hopefully and likely going to be the biggest user revolt in the history of the internet. I'm sincerely hoping the cowards back down or my last favorite big place on the internet is also going to disappear.

yanderekko 3y ago

It might turn out to be one of the largest protests, but it's also one where there's a large gap between how passionate your average mod feels about the issues here vs. your average Reddit users. spez's recent comments have served to lower this gap, but probably not by that much. My guess is that if a lot of mods end up getting replaced over this, they won't be missed.

flyinglizard 3y ago
The contribution of content is very lopsided. I remember about 10% of the users writing at all and maybe 2% writing prolifically. You don’t need much to move the content somewhere else.
- yanderekko 3y ago
  Sure, but since these changes aren't affecting many users I'm not sure why this would happen. It seems to mostly be wishful thinking on the hopes of activists that this will cause some sort of massive brand damage, or even the sort of advertiser revolt that Twitter has faced. But that would require a lot more mismanagement from spez, I'd guess.
  - mlyle 3y ago
    For a long time, Apple kept the option to receive plain text emails when almost everyone else had moved to HTML. Why? Because there was a crucial slice of unix-y developers who liked it that way, who were an important segment. Even though third party apps might be 3% of users, I'm guessing that the users that are passionate enough about Reddit to find/seek out the best app/pay for app subscriptions/etc are much more likely to be those critical 2% of prolific contributors.
  - makeitdouble 3y ago
    > Sure, but since these changes aren't affecting many users I'm not sure why this would happen. I'm curious about how you count the number of users affected. 3rd party apps users are at a first order, but as those also included mod tools, any subs that had admins relying on these tools are also affected. And sure reddit is promising adjustments, but at this points those are just vague promise, and looking at the CEO you wouldn't trust these promises much. Then as those subs go dark, if the mods are replaced, you also potentially get way worse moderation all around. From that POV, the number of affected users feels pretty huge to me...
teraflop 3y ago
FWIW, in almost every subreddit where I've seen an announcement that they're doing dark, user sentiment has been overwhelmingly on the mods' side. In fact, in a number of cases, when the mods have said they're shutting down for 48 hours, there have been highly-upvoted comments from users saying that's not long enough.
- GravitasFailure 3y ago
  As a counterpoint, the users that don't care about the changes simply...don't care. There is no impetus to come out in force and massively upvote or downvote anything about the protests, they're simply getting on with their days and will be back to business as usual when the subs come back, filling the time during the protest with other subs that aren't going dark. How efficacious this all proves to be will be interesting to discover.
- Ekaros 3y ago
  Mods are going dark... So who says they have not been moderating views opposing this? They have the tools and they probably have the will? Also we need to remember that in general they support authoritarianism and are against free speech...

bottlepalm 3y ago

Reddit is full of easily mobilized young people looking for a 'cause'. It's funny and hypocritical because not one of those Reddit users would ever run their own company in a way that allowed third parties to freely redistribute and profit off their data, but it's wrong for Reddit to somehow. It's like they have no idea how businesses stay in business.. not surprising really. They're going to burn down Reddit to defend someone who was asking for a $10 million buy out to screw them over and shut down the Apollo app anyways.

maaanu 3y ago
Do you have proof that all the uproar is caused by young people? Because I do not think that reddits user base is young compared to ig or tiktok.