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I'm just weirded about the fact that conversation about something AS EPIC AS THIS is so boring and rudderless here on hacker news of all places. I mean like YE

I'm just weirded about the fact that conversation about something AS EPIC AS THIS is so boring and rudderless here on hacker news of all places. I mean like YESTERDAY I did not have this superpower to summon something as majestic as say https://fb.watch/l4ssOD40M4/ https://fb.watch/l4ssOD40M4/ with a simple 'A quirky and skronky Aphex twin sample that just hits you' Edits: I woke up to this news delivered from Yann Lecun himself in the morning on facebook[1] and my gaped mouth can still be found for onlookers to witness I suppose! LIKE THIS IS IT FOLKS! Edit 2 All those back in my days muzzak folks lamenting about the quality of contemporary music can fuck right off because you clearly havent explored enough of the modern music landscape. Dont you dare blaspheme saying modern music has stagnated or some drivel like that. It is outright offensive to folks who are pushing the boundaries like say for example The Ex from Netherlands https://www.facebook.com/theexband https://www.facebook.com/theexband https://www.theex.nl/news.html https://www.theex.nl/news.html Just because you and the other soulless people you fraternize with are ignorant of all the innovative stuff thats going on, we have to suffer through your opinion on the state of pop culture?

fullshark 3y ago
Writing about music is like dancing about architecture
- gilmore606 3y ago
  This quote always makes me wish someone would give dancing about architecture a good try.
tomjakubowski 3y ago
that's cool but also sounds nothing like aphex twin. sort of four tet-ish maybe
- blensor 3y ago
  I may get down voted for this but it somehow reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fboNTcjJ8bo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fboNTcjJ8bo
- enricozb 3y ago
  Reminds me of his "Change" off of "26 mixes for cash": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecHLSoJeAAA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecHLSoJeAAA However, that's from a sampled drum beat. I generally agree though that this generated snippet doesn't remind me of Aphex Twin much at all.
- kristaps 3y ago
  Eh, could fit into a busier "Acrid avid jam shred", I think
- yantrams 3y ago
  Agree. I'm still blown away by the fact that we can summon this level of coherent output with text. Absolute black magic sorcery that!
cheschire 3y ago
It's not rudderless, there's just a large amount of angst surrounding AI/ML ranging from "more ways to feed the copyright trolls" to "what should I raise my kids to do for a starter career?" and a lot of interpolated points in between. You're totally okay not feeling this angst. But so are the folks who do.
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devin 3y ago
I think it's really neat, but I also kind of go "meh". I've been into generative music stuff for a long time, but whenever I get to the end of the project I go "meh", and I don't really feel any different about this. As I've watched the evolution of music generation with LLMs I feel like I just keep hearing drivel at greater fidelity. If you like it then by all means listen to it, but this is average or below. In some ways I think I prefer the more chaotic less coherent predecessors. They're a bit more interesting to my ear. And as other posters have said: that doesn't really sound like Aphex Twin to me at all.
jimbokun 3y ago
Because we like music for the fun of making it, and the shared emotional connection felt with the artist (whether it's real or not, knowing a human wrote and performed a piece allows you to imagine this connection). I don't know what the point of machine generated music is. Just destroying one of the few remaining ways for people to make a living doing something creative, I guess. The promise of automation was to have machines do the things we don't want to do, so humans could have more time to do things we enjoy. Instead, we are automating the things humans enjoy, and still leaving humans to figure out how to feed, house and clothe ourselves through the sweat of our brow.
- cutler 3y ago
  You said it for me. Muzak lives on.
- bluefishinit 3y ago
  > I don't know what the point of machine generated music is. One point is that music fans can now make their own music. I think it's great that people can express themselves and it's not limited to those who put in 10k+ hours to master a single instrument. More people creating is a good thing.
  - Tao3300 3y ago
    That probably is a good thing, but the road to mastery is a great thing. I can't describe to you the feeling of being in the zone while making music, but I'll try. Things will erode and decay, things will come into being, things will change. This flux is so constant that in truth there hardly are any things, just the changes; for as soon as you step in the river a second time, neither you nor the river are the same as you were. Epictetus, maybe? One of those guys. Likewise, music is inherently fleeting, yet it still makes sense. You can't hold music, yet there's still a sense of it being a thing that exists. Yet when it stops, it still somehow hasn't ceased to exist. The act of musical performance, even at a basic level, especially with others, brings us one step closer to something fundamental about the universe than other forms of expression. Like I said elsewhere, if you could ask the machine to pray or meditate, it wouldn't be fulfilling for anyone. It would be hollow.
LegitShady 3y ago
because it doesn't sound like aphex twin, isn't particularly quirky, isn't skronky, and doesn't just hit me. It sounds like output not resembling what you requested, and you're celebrating because for some random reason this particular prompt didn't sound totally horrible today. But it isn't intentionally making music, and it isn't particularly interesting music either. It's basically baby's first drum machine sort of stuff.
- yantrams 3y ago
  It's basically baby's first drum machine sort of stuff. PRECISELY! And I find that magical. Better prompt fidelity, model zoo etc will follow soon.
wooque 3y ago
Because that doesn't sound a bit like Aphex Twin and sounds like some generic filler music.
paddw 3y ago
Every week now there is a new AI thing and we are all worn out from trying to continually ascertain what to think about them.
solumunus 3y ago
That is straight garbage.
- wholinator2 3y ago
  If I'm being honest, i have to agree. This is like, the least interesting sound I've heard today. It's just a beat, like i bet some things could sound cool eventually but it's just ridiculously generic and kinda derivative. As well i can tell it's ai generated, it's got the same kind of stilted, just holding on to tempo, that most voice generation sounds like. Like it's mere moments away from entirely falling apart into machine screeching and creepy whisper sounds. Maybe there's better examples but being introduced with this clip has really put me off the whole idea
- moonchrome 3y ago
  I get the same feeling every time I buy into the AI hype and try it for myself. On stuff like art it's hard to judge objectively, but in things like code it's much simpler. Don't get me wrong there are cases where I find generative AI useful - but the hype machine and the unedited whole solutions are just straight garbage.
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wrl 3y ago
When it comes to music, the meme at this point is that "discovery is the problem." There is already so much music being made by so many people that the difficult part is connecting listeners to music they enjoy. It's tiring to see endless takes of "finally! we don't need artists anymore! we can just stand on their shoulders by training models on their work and then generate our own art instead!" There's already so much art being made. Why have so much joy in ignoring all of it and focusing on generative AI instead? Furthermore, there's another work posted on that FB account that has the caption: "While I'm concerned about the possible impact on society - especially on the jobs front, I cant help but grin as the edifice of human exceptionalism is shred apart with every passing day." Is that you? Why the misanthropy? "edifice of human exceptionalism"? As it applies to... making music?

fullshark 3y ago

Writing about music is like dancing about architecture

gilmore606 3y ago
This quote always makes me wish someone would give dancing about architecture a good try.

tomjakubowski 3y ago

that's cool but also sounds nothing like aphex twin. sort of four tet-ish maybe

blensor 3y ago
I may get down voted for this but it somehow reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fboNTcjJ8bo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fboNTcjJ8bo
enricozb 3y ago
Reminds me of his "Change" off of "26 mixes for cash": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecHLSoJeAAA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecHLSoJeAAA However, that's from a sampled drum beat. I generally agree though that this generated snippet doesn't remind me of Aphex Twin much at all.
kristaps 3y ago
Eh, could fit into a busier "Acrid avid jam shred", I think
yantrams 3y ago
Agree. I'm still blown away by the fact that we can summon this level of coherent output with text. Absolute black magic sorcery that!

cheschire 3y ago

It's not rudderless, there's just a large amount of angst surrounding AI/ML ranging from "more ways to feed the copyright trolls" to "what should I raise my kids to do for a starter career?" and a lot of interpolated points in between. You're totally okay not feeling this angst. But so are the folks who do.

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devin 3y ago

I think it's really neat, but I also kind of go "meh". I've been into generative music stuff for a long time, but whenever I get to the end of the project I go "meh", and I don't really feel any different about this. As I've watched the evolution of music generation with LLMs I feel like I just keep hearing drivel at greater fidelity. If you like it then by all means listen to it, but this is average or below. In some ways I think I prefer the more chaotic less coherent predecessors. They're a bit more interesting to my ear. And as other posters have said: that doesn't really sound like Aphex Twin to me at all.

jimbokun 3y ago

Because we like music for the fun of making it, and the shared emotional connection felt with the artist (whether it's real or not, knowing a human wrote and performed a piece allows you to imagine this connection). I don't know what the point of machine generated music is. Just destroying one of the few remaining ways for people to make a living doing something creative, I guess. The promise of automation was to have machines do the things we don't want to do, so humans could have more time to do things we enjoy. Instead, we are automating the things humans enjoy, and still leaving humans to figure out how to feed, house and clothe ourselves through the sweat of our brow.

cutler 3y ago
You said it for me. Muzak lives on.
bluefishinit 3y ago
> I don't know what the point of machine generated music is. One point is that music fans can now make their own music. I think it's great that people can express themselves and it's not limited to those who put in 10k+ hours to master a single instrument. More people creating is a good thing.
- Tao3300 3y ago
  That probably is a good thing, but the road to mastery is a great thing. I can't describe to you the feeling of being in the zone while making music, but I'll try. Things will erode and decay, things will come into being, things will change. This flux is so constant that in truth there hardly are any things, just the changes; for as soon as you step in the river a second time, neither you nor the river are the same as you were. Epictetus, maybe? One of those guys. Likewise, music is inherently fleeting, yet it still makes sense. You can't hold music, yet there's still a sense of it being a thing that exists. Yet when it stops, it still somehow hasn't ceased to exist. The act of musical performance, even at a basic level, especially with others, brings us one step closer to something fundamental about the universe than other forms of expression. Like I said elsewhere, if you could ask the machine to pray or meditate, it wouldn't be fulfilling for anyone. It would be hollow.

LegitShady 3y ago

because it doesn't sound like aphex twin, isn't particularly quirky, isn't skronky, and doesn't just hit me. It sounds like output not resembling what you requested, and you're celebrating because for some random reason this particular prompt didn't sound totally horrible today. But it isn't intentionally making music, and it isn't particularly interesting music either. It's basically baby's first drum machine sort of stuff.

yantrams 3y ago
It's basically baby's first drum machine sort of stuff. PRECISELY! And I find that magical. Better prompt fidelity, model zoo etc will follow soon.

wooque 3y ago

Because that doesn't sound a bit like Aphex Twin and sounds like some generic filler music.

paddw 3y ago

Every week now there is a new AI thing and we are all worn out from trying to continually ascertain what to think about them.

solumunus 3y ago

That is straight garbage.

wholinator2 3y ago
If I'm being honest, i have to agree. This is like, the least interesting sound I've heard today. It's just a beat, like i bet some things could sound cool eventually but it's just ridiculously generic and kinda derivative. As well i can tell it's ai generated, it's got the same kind of stilted, just holding on to tempo, that most voice generation sounds like. Like it's mere moments away from entirely falling apart into machine screeching and creepy whisper sounds. Maybe there's better examples but being introduced with this clip has really put me off the whole idea
moonchrome 3y ago
I get the same feeling every time I buy into the AI hype and try it for myself. On stuff like art it's hard to judge objectively, but in things like code it's much simpler. Don't get me wrong there are cases where I find generative AI useful - but the hype machine and the unedited whole solutions are just straight garbage.

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wrl 3y ago

When it comes to music, the meme at this point is that "discovery is the problem." There is already so much music being made by so many people that the difficult part is connecting listeners to music they enjoy. It's tiring to see endless takes of "finally! we don't need artists anymore! we can just stand on their shoulders by training models on their work and then generate our own art instead!" There's already so much art being made. Why have so much joy in ignoring all of it and focusing on generative AI instead? Furthermore, there's another work posted on that FB account that has the caption: "While I'm concerned about the possible impact on society - especially on the jobs front, I cant help but grin as the edifice of human exceptionalism is shred apart with every passing day." Is that you? Why the misanthropy? "edifice of human exceptionalism"? As it applies to... making music?