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This is a great example! I hope people will take the time to click and watch it drive. I think it’s a tough call in this case. The Tesla is trying not to block
by zaroth 3y ago
This is a great example! I hope people will take the time to click and watch it drive.
I think it’s a tough call in this case. The Tesla is trying not to block an intersection where a light is green but there’s no room to clear the intersection on the other side due to traffic ahead. In fact an oncoming car is able to turn left in front of the Tesla because it waited.
Probably the law is that you should NOT enter the intersection in such a state, but the human nature would be to make a more nuanced judgement of “how bad would it be” to continue thru and possibly get stuck sticking out into the intersection for a bit until traffic moves again.
I would think - how long might I be stuck? Would it actual impede other traffic? Also factors like, am I’m late for work? Am I frustrated because traffic has been horrible or am I enjoying a Sunday drive?
Ego (Tesla’s name for the driving software) doesn’t get impatient. It can maximally obey all traffic regulations at all times if they code it to do so, even if human drivers behind might be laying on the horn.
This little clip really shows how much nuance is involved in designing these systems, and how doing the technically right thing can either be wrong or at least ambiguously right.
- belter 3y agoThat is not the failure. The failure is that would not move anymore and the driver had to intervene and accelerate.
- zaroth 3y agoAt 16:55 thru 17:15? Where he manually accelerates the car and blocks the intersection?
- belter 3y agohttps://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=999 https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=999 16:40 to 17:12
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- szundi 3y agoSeemed to be completely OK, a driver who is on the safe side would have just done this exactly
- belter 3y agoIf you stay there, blocking traffic for no reason, and do not proceed when you are clear to go, as it did until the driver accelerated, you will fail a driving license exam in most countries.
- Phil_Latio 3y agoMaybe it would have moved a second later...
- BHSPitMonkey 3y ago"Most countries" would fail a driver for not crossing an intersection until there is space on the other side? I think you're being a little absurd here. The driver in this case could see that the cars beyond the blue car were starting to move, and thus predict that he could cross a little bit early (betting on the space being available by the end of the maneuver, but risking being the ass who ends up blocking the crosswalk after miscalculating).
- concordDance 3y agoHere in the UK you'd be failed for blocking an intersection.
- rvnx 3y agoTotally, you are not supposed to block an intersection, and it is forbidden to stay on a pedestrian crossing.
- belter 3y agoAgain...that was not the failure. Actually there are two failures: - First one, to stop too far away both from the road intersection and the pedestrian crossing. And of course you should not stop on top the pedestrian crossing. The car behind the Tesla, noticed that right away, and went over the Tesla. Even the Tesla driver in the video commented on that. I wonder what FSD version that driver has :-) - Second failure, the car ahead, the one already over the road crossing started moving but the Tesla would not move at all. Only when the video author accelerated as he mentions in the video.
- rhtgrg 3y ago> The Tesla is trying not to block an intersection where a light is green What light? There is none if you're talking about t=995.
- jondwillis 3y agoLA has an unwritten law where 2-3 cars make unprotected lefts after oncoming traffic has cleared on yellow/red lights. Letting FSD drive, it can’t honor this “cultural” (technically illegal) behavior. If I am operating it, off goes FSD in that moment.
- martythemaniak 3y agoTesla has been specifically reprimanded by NHSTA for allowing FSD to drive like human rather than to the letter of the law. The rolling stops is one I remember, but basically it'll apply to anything.
- toast0 3y agoDude it's totally following the law. You're allowed to enter the intersection for an unprotected left even if it's not clear to turn (possibly not if the end of the intersection you're going to is full of cars). If you are in the intersection, you're allowed to clear when possible regardless of the color of your light. Most intersections with unprotected left turns let you fit at least a whole car, sometimes two in the intersection to wait, and the third car has its front wheels on the paint, so it's totally in the intersection.
- shkkmo 3y agoWhile you are allowed to enter the intersection during a yellow, you are also considered legally to have been warned and would be consider liable if doing so causes an accident. This extra liability would seem like making self driving cars error on the side of stopping to be in the interests of auto makers who would be exposed to that liability.
- illumin8 3y agoIncorrect. As long as your front wheels pass the stop line prior to the light turning red, you are legally driving through the intersection and should continue and clear the intersection on the other side (not stop in the middle). Imagine how crazy the law would be if this were the case: - Light changes from green to yellow 1ms before your front wheels pass the stop line - Other direction traffic runs a red light and hits you from the side - You're now somehow liable because your wheels entered the intersection with zero ability to react quickly enough (no human can react in 1ms and no car can stop that fast) and the other driver that clearly blew a red is not? That would be pants on head crazy, tbh...