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One of the reasons I wouldn't want to work for Apple is that they have an old school view of what an office should be: a sprawling car-dependent campus complete

by dangus 3y ago

One of the reasons I wouldn't want to work for Apple is that they have an old school view of what an office should be: a sprawling car-dependent campus completely removed from the urban fabric, where employees are doomed to sit on the highway for hours per day dodging potential injury and death. Steve Jobs had an affinity for college campuses with ample green space and on-site amenities, but didn't seem to consider the fact that college students live on-site and walk everywhere, in contrast to employees who sit in daily traffic to get to their work campus. While Apple Park is wonderfully futuristic in many ways, in other ways it's firmly stuck in the past. These inconvenient flaws with its design are literally hidden away, with Apple's massive parking structures being located underground. In an era where finding remote work is so simple, I have a hard time understanding a company that wants to build a campus in this style. 281 acres: for what exactly? You can fit this much office square footage in a single mid-rise building. Example: https://www.officespace.com/il/chicago/2120829-925-1025-w-fulton-market https://www.officespace.com/il/chicago/2120829-925-1025-w-fu... Now for comparison, do a street view of the research triangle area where Apple wants to build. Plop the little Google pin down between Pfizer and Cisco Systems. Which environment would you rather work in? Walking distance to residences, shops, restaurants, and transit connections, or on the site of an environment built without a single thought to the human who is not encased in the automobile? North Carloina is one of the worst areas for sprawl in the country, but it also has so many new urbanist neighborhoods that are bucking that trend. It's just a little bit of a shame to me that Apple isn't a part of the trend of companies building their offices in places that are integrated with the lived environment.

addisonl 3y ago
> employees are doomed to sit on the highway for hours per day Average round trip commute is less than an hour in the US so this is an extreme exaggeration to make your point more valid.
- xwowsersx 3y ago
  In urban centers or nearby, the type of location Apple and other big tech are likely to have a campus/office, it is likely much more than one hour roundtrip. What you've done is taken the average across the entire US which includes many places where people work very local jobs that require a 5-10 minute commute and used this to refute OPs claim. While you were at it, you blamed them for making an exaggeration and threw in a little "appeal to motive" to explain why OP would make such an "extreme exaggeration". Be better.
  - addisonl 3y ago
    Meanwhile you just insult me while making claims backed by 0 data. Here’s the reality: average commute in SF is 34 minutes each way. Barely over an hour, so again OP’s claim was vastly exaggerated to make their point. Even the “worst” commute (PA) is 80 minutes, a far cry from “hours a day”. Here’s my source: https://stacker.com/california/san-francisco/san-francisco-has-5-worst-average-commute https://stacker.com/california/san-francisco/san-francisco-h... Where’s your source? Be better.
- vips7L 3y ago
  That’s still too long.
  - addisonl 3y ago
    Never said it wasn’t.

by dangus 3y ago

addisonl 3y ago

> employees are doomed to sit on the highway for hours per day Average round trip commute is less than an hour in the US so this is an extreme exaggeration to make your point more valid.

xwowsersx 3y ago
In urban centers or nearby, the type of location Apple and other big tech are likely to have a campus/office, it is likely much more than one hour roundtrip. What you've done is taken the average across the entire US which includes many places where people work very local jobs that require a 5-10 minute commute and used this to refute OPs claim. While you were at it, you blamed them for making an exaggeration and threw in a little "appeal to motive" to explain why OP would make such an "extreme exaggeration". Be better.
- addisonl 3y ago
  Meanwhile you just insult me while making claims backed by 0 data. Here’s the reality: average commute in SF is 34 minutes each way. Barely over an hour, so again OP’s claim was vastly exaggerated to make their point. Even the “worst” commute (PA) is 80 minutes, a far cry from “hours a day”. Here’s my source: https://stacker.com/california/san-francisco/san-francisco-has-5-worst-average-commute https://stacker.com/california/san-francisco/san-francisco-h... Where’s your source? Be better.
vips7L 3y ago
That’s still too long.
- addisonl 3y ago
  Never said it wasn’t.