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Reddit bans subreddit detailing how to move to competitor Kbin
- aurizon 3y agoReddit is snakebit - doomed to die...
- ideamotor 3y agoYep. This is what happens when big money gets interested.
- aurizon 3y agoBig $$ begets big Ads begets I am outa here...
- criley2 3y agoThis is what happens when 2,000 people are employed to run a site that can probably be run with 200. What the heck are 2,000 people doing, considering that 95% of the site is run by unpaid volunteers...
- bluescrn 3y agoThose 2,000 people are influencing what half a billion monthly active users think/believe, which products they'll purchase, and who they'll vote for.
- ferminaut 3y agoI doubt reddit itself runs the bot farms that enable modifying public perception.
- bluescrn 3y agoI suppose it's more about the power mods, sometimes with help from the admins, aggressively suppressing certain ideas while allowing others to flourish. So maybe they don't need all those 2000 people...
- zedadex 3y ago> Those 2,000 people are influencing what half a billion monthly active users think/believe I'm not aware of reddit's admins having a large hand in curating site content, though I also haven't been heavily into reddit for a while.
- snowe2010 3y agoi thought it was almost 3000. I made the same point the other day, there's absolutely no reason they couldn't already be profitable, it's all just trying to get rich rather than exist.
- yanderekko 3y agoWhat was the alternative path for Reddit? Use GoFundMe to keep the servers running?
- aurizon 3y agoThis is indeed the problem, perhaps longer posting latency will reduce B/W demands at the cost of chatterboxy response times?
- wadd1e 3y agoMake the API reasonably priced instead of making it effectively impossible to run 3rd party apps, make 3rd party apps a reddit gold only feature, make reddit gold better in general(the main complaint ive heard is "why do i even buy reddit gold?"). They've got 2000 employees, surely there's enough people to come up with better monetisation ideas than I could in a few minutes that don't involve pissing off a big chunk of the userbase.
- yanderekko 3y agoSo "big money" caused Reddit to overcharge for API access? How? If this is bad for Reddit's valuation, "big money" should be demanding that they pull back. What do you know that Reddit's investors do not?
- wadd1e 3y ago>What do you know that Reddit's investors do not? The experience I get as a user of the app? Is it that hard to believe that people at the very top can be out of touch with the average user of their product? I'd be surprised if any of those people have even seen the Reddit homepage once. We've seen plenty of companies go down because they made an incredibly out of touch change which caused mass migration to a better product(the example floating around is Digg). All this happening right as they prepare to go public is really all the indication one needs to deduce what's going on.
- 8organicbits 3y agoThe main kbin subreddit still exists although it has few users. https://www.reddit.com/r/kbin/ https://www.reddit.com/r/kbin/
- kahnclusions 3y agoAnd on mobile they force you to view it through the Reddit app. Reddit really has become trash. I’ve deleted my accounts and apps. Good riddance.
- prepend 3y agoI’m able to view through safari. I get a prompt to open in the app, but that’s every Reddit page, because Reddit is a jerk who doesn’t respect my decisions.
- ethbr0 3y agoAre you logged in? If not, here's what I got (Firefox on Android): - Mobile = "Unreviewed content" banner, must open in app, no option to view - Mobile, pretending to be desktop browser = loads fine - https://old.reddit.com/r/kbin/ https://old.reddit.com/r/kbin/ = loads fine
- chmod775 3y ago"This community has not been reviewed and might contain content inappropriate for certain viewers. View in the Reddit app to continue." My only options are "View in App" or "Take me Home".
- NoboruWataya 3y agoDunno if others are seeing the same, but I am getting a blocking message saying the subreddit is "unreviewed content" and giving me the option to leave, or view in the app. In other words, it's not letting me view it on the website using mobile.
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
- soraminazuki 3y ago> This subreddit was banned due to being used for spam. This whole situation looks all too familiar now. First, it was Freenode, then Twitter, then now Reddit.
- junon 3y agoWell, freenode at least had a happy ending.
- phoe-krk 3y agoTo be precise: Freenode didn't, Libera Chat did.
- mananaysiempre 3y agoBizarrely, the empty husk of Freenode was advertised as a “partner” on the Gigablast home page for several months. (Then Gigablast went dark.) I’m still wondering what was up with that.
- junon 3y agoYes, correct.
- junon 3y agokbin.pub website devs, if you're reading: - Your site says nothing. It doesn't say what kbin is, why I should bother, why it's useful. - You have a link to docs. No thanks. Show me CONTENT. If I see content I like, I'll sign up. - Why is fediverse better? (I know what it is, the average viewer won't) - Mobile app "coming soon"? No, that should be directly the "Download Alpha Mobile App" Button. People know what alpha and beta are. - Cute graphics = this is VC funded and going to tell me what I'm allowed to think. The fact I can't even see this walled garden the second I open the main page is a nonstarter for me as a user.
- poisonborz 3y ago> Show me CONTENT True for every content platform. If the website just spews meta without showcasing the innards immediately (even just screenshots) it seems suspicious. For kbin, they link 5 instances on top, but that doesn't connect the context.
- smarx007 3y agohttps://kbin.pub https://kbin.pub is Kbin the OSS project. https://kbin.social https://kbin.social (better https://archive.is/3Gpcu https://archive.is/3Gpcu because they are quite HN-hugged ATM) is Kbin the main instance with content.
- irthomasthomas 3y ago[flagged]
- Kiro 3y agoWhat am I looking at? It says kbin at the top but it seems to be on lemmy.ml? I don't understand this fediverse stuff.
- RobotToaster 3y agoThey seem to like removing a lot of stuff? https://kbin.social/modlog https://kbin.social/modlog
- unsupp0rted 3y ago> /kbin is an open source reddit-like content aggregator and microblogging platform for the fediverse. Oh, never mind. I was looking for a Reddit competitor where I see interesting discussion, decide to interact, create a username and interact. This isn’t that.
- ZacnyLos 3y agoYou're wrong, just check it yourself: https://kbin.social/ https://kbin.social/
- unsupp0rted 3y agoI happily stand corrected, thanks!
- tremon 3y agoBanned by Cloudflare. I'll pass.
- mananaysiempre 3y ago> Checking if the site connection is secure. Ugh. I’ll take a look for the moment but the “secure” on that page (Cloudflare-provided I think?) has filled my weekly allotment of bullshit. Never going to be a regular as long as that’s on, sorry. (There’s a special angry place in my heart for people who continue to devalue the word “secure” in the eyes of end users.)
- Semaphor 3y agoThey are currently overloaded, already upgraded from a 16€/month server to a 67€/month one, but still having issues. Sudden influx.
- sota4077 3y agoIf they want to grow and take on Reddit refugees there is no way they can do that if they are worrying about a $16/month server or $68/month server. They are going to require much more than that and if people are constantly waiting for content to load they will just go somewhere else; which lets be honest that means they will probably go back to Reddit.
- 2Gkashmiri 3y agois.. kbin a fork of lemmy?
- beowulfey 3y agoDoesn't seem to be -- here is the source: https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core It's ActivityPub though, so it can communicate with Lemmy and others.
- 2Gkashmiri 3y agook thats cool. Agpl 3.0. extra cool
- codetrotter 3y ago> It's ActivityPub though, so it can communicate with Lemmy and others. Are Kbin and Lemmy currently interoperable?
- Semaphor 3y agoYes
- gigglesupstairs 3y agoThis is interesting
- Semaphor 3y agoIt’s the point of building on ActivityPub. Lemmy is also to a certain degree interoperable with Mastodon. Though kbin is more interopable with it.
- gigglesupstairs 3y agoI used to wish Facebook had a wrapper which changed its look and feel to look like Reddit. Old Reddit of course. They obviously have very different architectures and must have been a very impossible task. This on the hand, makes me think that if someone wants it, it can look like anything, twitter or Facebook or Reddit (which it looks like currently)? What’s the reason for it being more inter-operable with mastadon than lemmy?
- ianai 3y agoAre there any straight up knock offs of Reddit?
- vladd 3y agoI created a "Reddit for News" where various RSS feeds provide an initial stream of stories but people have Reddit-like abilities to upvote or submit their own. It's at https://www.goobix.com/news/ https://www.goobix.com/news/ , I would be happy to get feedback or build capabilities people feel as missing.
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- bluescrn 3y agoUntil now, the only real demand for an alternative has come from users/communities banned from Reddit or opposed to the censorship/groupthink. Which is not an ideal set of users to start a new community with.
- agentgumshoe 3y agoOne day, enough people will hopefully realise that internet forums of old (i.e. before Discourse) were perfectly good. Get some reasonable mods, make the rules clear, enjoy the community. Then we might all chill a bit. Pity everyone went chasing popularity, shouting loudly at each other and influencer moneys.
- hakfoo 3y agoIMO, the value of Reddit was that it was a group of forums with SSO and decent discoverability. If you wanted to find a forum on a specific topic on the broader web, you had to sift through various sites and look for individual hints as to their vitality, and then register and introduce yourself on each one. With Reddit it was a single search away, and the more or less consistent UI made it easy to tell "this is the active one." But importantly, it retained a lot of the value a forum does: a comment pool that persists, that shows up in Google later. Discord is a TERRIBLE substitute. It's not meaningfully threaded. It's not externally searchable. It doesn't even have the "it's federated, so we're not beholden to one specific owner who will inevitably tank it." catch.
- Gualdrapo 3y agoOf the visual design of the alternatives I've seen (and including Reddit design itself), I really like how this one looks so clean, so there's that. It actually makes me want to use it.
- sickcodebruh 3y agoI had the same thought just now. Reminds me of the good old days of forums, which was what attracted me to Reddit originally. Looks like they have equivalents for at least two of my frequently visited subreddits, so that’s an easy sell for me.
- veave 3y agoI don't need to read the rules to know that the moderation policy is even more restrictive than reddit's and it's therefore not worth the trouble.
- metalliqaz 3y agohow do you know that without reading the rules?
- failrate 3y agoPerhaps they contribute to r/psychics.
- photonerd 3y agoThat’s definitely a win for kbin.
- DaSHacka 3y agoIf you align with the moderators politically, perhaps.
- photonerd 3y agoLet’s face it, it’s not about politics. It’s about not spreading hate & lies. It’s just one political side does that more, so conflates the two
- yanderekko 3y ago>It’s about not spreading hate & lies. As determined by your local Ministry of Truth, of course. You could see why many people might be skeptical of their benevolence. Let's face it. A lot of these platforms will absolutely ban you for saying true things in a problematic fashion, eg. FBI crime statistics. It's widely accepted and celebrated and it doesn't pass the laugh test to say that it's just about stopping misinformation or whatever. Because you're hurting The Cause and that can't be allowed.
- Semaphor 3y agoUnlike lemmy, this has the advantage of links being links, so e.g. middle/ctrl. clicking works for everything, while in lemmy some (e.g. "X comments") are JS only.
- capableweb 3y agoThat's such a surface issue though and can be solved quickly. Much more interesting to compare the architecture and other things that can't be fixed by one day in some hours at max.
- MrThoughtful 3y agoI don't know the specific circumstances here. But making a link js-only is often a sign that the developers are not aware how much of a problem complexity is.
- capableweb 3y agoOr, instead of using Link from whatever routing library they are using, they happen to use Button, or whatever. It can be a really simple issue as well as some underlying reason. But as a first response, I think it'll chalk it up to "ops, we missed that" rather than "we like links that don't work like links", especially if the issue hasn't been reported yet.
- elaus 3y agoWhere do you find the "X comments" links that are JS-only? Just visiting the home page of lemmy.ml, all comment links are actual links that can be opened in a new tab or copy-pasted (e.g. https://lemmy.ml/post/1186587?scrollToComments=true https://lemmy.ml/post/1186587?scrollToComments=true)
- Semaphor 3y agoNowhere, now :( I swear it didn’t work for me when I posted this, but now it works, and I have absolutely no idea what changed. I even checked in git if there was some recent change, there wasn’t. I’m flabbergasted.
- LocalH 3y agoReddit is just Digging itself a hole. (See what I did there? :) )
- Semaphor 3y agoI’m registered on the main instance (https://kbin.social/ https://kbin.social/). They are heavily overloaded, the dev already upgraded the server as high as possible (16€ to 67€ per month), but that only helped at the beginning, now that some are saying to join kbin instead of lemmy (because of lemmy devs apparently being tankies), the server is essentially close to dying. This is also an issue with some lemmy instances, earlier today I was unable to reach feddit.de.
- codetrotter 3y ago> Tankie is a pejorative label for communists, particularly Stalinists, who support the authoritarian tendencies of Marxism–Leninism or, more generally, authoritarian states associated with Marxism–Leninism in history. For anyone else wondering wth a “tankie” is.
- jtode 3y agoTankie has less to do with any coherent ideology and more to do with just being on the side of whatever is not The USA. It does tend to be true that all 20th century Marxists were and remain tankies, I was raised by such and have family friends who think Putin is awesome and it's fuckin embarrassing. But I am a Marxist in the economic sense and also believe the USA is still a pretty good bet.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago"I'm a vegetarian who won't turn down a burger" basically?
- Spivak 3y ago"My ideal form of government would be something like Marxism but I live under a capitalist regime."
- jtode 3y agoMarxism has to do with pointing out how capital operates on societies; there are no Marxist governments, though he did theorize that the world would eventually work its way to communism, in much the same way that we somehow worked ourselves almost to the point that we're not using slavery anymore. Of course, we are all still carrying around child slavery in our pockets, most of us. It's got a shiny touchscreen and it helps us find our way around, through the power of child slavery. The above paragraph is me being a Marxist.
- Razengan 3y agoCould this all be deliberate to make money off shorting Reddit stock as soon as it goes public?
- 5350-uiop-1130 3y agoamazing to observe the enshittification of reddit and twitter in real time. it really demonstrates the absolute hubris of some executives.
- plagiarist 3y agoThe VC bias towards short-term financial gain is a shaky foundation on which to build.
- dahwolf 3y agoShort term? Reddit hasn't made a penny in 15 years.
- aceazzameen 3y agoI wonder if it's possible for Reddit 3rd party app devs (Apollo, etc) to rework their existing apps to use Kbin or Lemmy instead. Could be a huge undertaking. But it would be an even bigger blow to Reddit, since they can easily funnel users away.
- rnmmrnm 3y agowhat we really need is a reddit API facade to onboard all those apps easily.
- jasonm23 3y agoThat seems to be a fairly simple task, ask ChatGPT to do it ;D
- leros 3y agoThe dev of Apollo at least has stated a lack of interest in doing that. He said he wants to build products, not grow a company.
- userm0d 3y agoHe said that in regards to rolling his own version of Reddit. The parent comment proposes instead to repurpose the app as a client for similar but different already existing service.
- bonelessfrog 3y agoWouldn't that just eventually come to the same ends as Reddit though? Especially if it becomes popular, the eventual costly server bill would follow
- skinnymuch 3y agoNot everyone is as selfish and ruthless as companies like Reddit, Twitter, etc. Lemmy has some semblance of humanity and ethics.
- derbOac 3y agoIt's really unclear to me how Kbin is different from Lemmy other than UI and not being Lemmy — which is fine but unclear. Just another ActivityPub implementation? Honestly the more I read about Nostr the more it makes sense to me. It would be nice if there were a more forum-like Nostr.
- stiltzkin 3y agoStacker News dev is working on on a Reddit like with Nostr called outer.space.
- FireInsight 3y agoThe main differences I've heard of aside from what you already mentioned; Kbin supports microblogging a-la Mastodon with the same account, and protocol-wise it maps upvotes to boosts so everyone looking at your "timeline" can see which posts you've upvoted. Both being turn-offs for me. I really want the Fediverse to succeed as an alternative to content silos like Reddit, but at this rate I think that we're headed towards a world–like every other time Reddit fucked up–where a small number of people splinter onto different websites while "normies" stay on Reddit and continue to look at the funny memes be they posted by bots on badly moderated subs or not.
- derbOac 3y agoHmm. Yeah being able to see which posts you've upvoted seems undesirable to me. I guess someone might argue that it would increase the consequences of voting and make people more careful? More anonymous voting seems better to me, if you're going to have voting.
- hemmes 3y agoSettings. There’s always a settings page.
- luuurker 3y agoThey're pulling a Twitter. Mr Musk also banned links to Mastodon.
- geek_at 3y agoand also making the API ridiculously expensive
- Zuiii 3y agoDoes Kbin enforce developer beliefs on downstream admins and users like how lemmy enforces[1] a hard-coded "slur" filter? If it doesn't, then it sounds promising and I see why reddit is afraid. 1: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622
- vxNsr 3y agoThe last comment on that issue says the slur filter was made optional.
- Glench 3y agoIf anyone is interested I made an extension you can use to batch delete your Reddit posts and comments: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bulk-delete-reddit-posts/nbfdoajmaaohkohdnbpjakamhcaaleco?hl=en&authuser=0 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bulk-delete-reddit... Let me know how it works for you if you try it! Still fixing bugs.