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Tiny Awards for Small Websites
- astroalex 3y agoThis is awesome. Almost all content on the internet has been centralized by social networks, so it brings me joy to see an appetite for small, personal, non-commercial websites.
- rchaud 3y agoEh, I've been on the hunt for non-commercial websites for close to a decade. It's pretty barren out there. Three types of people have websites these days: 1) People trying to sell something: courses, books, their resume, etc. 2) People interested in blogging, who give up after less than a year due to lack of visibility (compared to Medium/Substack) 3) People who created their website in the 90s and saw no reason to stop.
- chrismorgan 3y ago> 2) People interested in blogging, who give up after less than a year due to lack of visibility (compared to Medium/Substack) You don’t think most people that post to the likes of Medium or Substack also give up quickly?
- JadeNB 3y ago> > 2) People interested in blogging, who give up after less than a year due to lack of visibility (compared to Medium/Substack) > You don’t think most people that post to the likes of Medium or Substack also give up quickly? I think the parent meant "lack of visibility compared to Medium/Substack", not "give up after less than a year compared to [longer viability on] Medium/Substack". (If you, in turn, meant implicitly just to say "read Medium/Substack", then I think that fails on the "small, personal" criteria, and possibly also on "non-commercial".)
- chrismorgan 3y agoI read rchaud as saying “people that give up on blogging not long after starting because they’re not getting readers, whereas if they had posted on Medium/Substack they would get readers and would continue”, but I think that doesn’t reflect reality or the reasons people stop.
- rchaud 3y agoI'm sure they do, but I'm not looking in those places. Setting up a personal website comes with a certain amount of friction compared to SS or M, which IMO iS a better signal for whether that person is serious about doing this.
- astroalex 3y agoI agree! Which is why I'm excited by an award promoting small personal websites. It's like an oasis in a barren desert of people trying to sell you things.
- MrVandemar 3y agoTiny Awards for Small Websites is awarded the prestigious and highly coveted "Boatload of Unecessary Javascript Blocking Content Award" by me.
- chrismorgan 3y agoYep. About 1.7 MB of JavaScript (yeah, less across the wire) to do literally nothing interactive, and have a janky, ridiculously-scaled document where everything is the same shade of blue, links are not distinguished in any way, and a decorative image even collides with the text in one place. The whole thing should have been under 20KB of pure HTML, SVG and CSS. Found a tracker in it that the usual uBlock Origin lists aren’t blocking, too: https://api.june.so/sdk/{page,track} https://api.june.so/sdk/{page,track}. Really doesn’t endear mmm.page to me.
- ktjalve 3y agoWe will do a https://1kb.club/ https://1kb.club/ site next year.
- fredrikholm 3y agoGenuinely curious, why does the page make 20+ requests for ~1.5Mb of non-content for a site that quite literally exists to showcase small websites? Oversight?
- ktjalve 3y ago“Tiny Awards is a small prize awarded by an equally-small selection committee of online makers to the website which we feel best embodies the idea of a small, playful and heartfelt web.”
- DanSmooth 3y agoI think they use another definition of "small" than most of tech-oriented folks here at HN. They don't seem to be interested in filesizes, number of requests, or even usability. They used a WYSIWG builder (see their advertisement somewhere else in this thread), which is responsible for all of the bloat. It looked good on their (fruity?) devices, and they went with it. It doesn't look like anyone with a technical sensibility was ever involved.
- btzs 3y agoNot working properly on Firefox for Android. Text is cut off.
- someweirdperson 3y agoThey are not eligible for their own reward anyway, I think. Maybe they forgot to mention it in their rules though.
- zimpenfish 3y agoCurrently rendering as an entirely blank page for me in Safari. Largely because it seems to be scaled to some ungodly size and all I'm seeing is the left margin - but horizontal scrolling is disabled. A+ superb. 10/10. No notes.
- alvarezbjm-hn 3y agohttps://i.ibb.co/GMqptmr/Screenshot-20230611-034813-Firefox.jpg https://i.ibb.co/GMqptmr/Screenshot-20230611-034813-Firefox.... Ff Android. Cut off the right margin
- ktjalve 3y agoThanks for the feature. We made the website with https://build.mmm.page/ https://build.mmm.page/. It is the most fun wysiwyg builder I have used. Highly recommend it, bugs included.
- SanderNL 3y agoWhy? It’s text with some images. Even Word could do this better. Frontpage would be a massive improvement.
- gyanreyer 3y agoWhat value is this comment adding to the discussion?
- InCityDreams 3y agoPot kettle?
- SanderNL 3y agoEducation, apparently.
- kasitmp 3y agoI love that idea, great stuff!
- garbageoverflow 3y agoI loved this! I'm itching to see the results for "Tiny Awards for Small Websites with a ton of unnecessary scripts and trackers". Oh wait, they're already listed on this site.
- fjfaase 3y agoThe requirement is that the website should be created in the past year. That cancels out all those small websites (with no ads) that were created before social networks became dominant. I wonder if you will be happy when you small website will be rewarded as you may suddenly get a lot of traffic resulting in either becoming unavailable due to heavy traffic or forced on a more costly plan by the ISP. That is one reason why I am hesitant to post links here to my private website.
- moritonal 3y agoYeah, the date requirement of deployment in the last year is oddly strict vs their target audience of slow calm websites.
- vintagedave 3y agoThere's a renaissance of interest in sites like this though. So - speculating - maybe they're trying to highlight that, what's new in the genre?
- lnoir 3y agoI would think that a collective concerned with such an award would take the care to ensure their own "small" website works well on mobile, both in terms of performance and presentation. As already noted, the site is quite bloated and, on my phone at least, the end of most lines of text is cut off due to insufficient spacing.
- fefe23 3y agoIs this some kind of joke? This "tiny" web page loads content from 8 other sites. The html of the page is 122k big. Add to that more than a megabyte of useless javascript frameworks.
- yawpitch 3y agoIn their defense they implied that the award was tiny, and that the award was for tiny websites… there was no implication that their own website was (or need be) tiny. That’s notwithstanding the fact that tiny in scope != tiny in size.
- rikroots 3y agoI hope not. I've just entered my poetry site for their consideration.
- dmje 3y agoTo me the idea of a small web is a great one. But then for some reason everyone equates small with "static builder" and before you know it you're into a hellscape of complexity with static site builders, SPAs and other madness. What happened to "I'll edit this .html file and FTP it up, with maybe a light sprinkling of CSS and js for any interactive elements"? Why did devs get obsessed with a deeply complex jamstack type thing to do even incredibly simple sites? It's like a sort of "iceberg web" - small on the surface but hiding a mountain of complexity and dependencies under the surface.
- ryukoposting 3y agoCame here to say this. If I need to fiddle with NoScript just to read your web page, it isn't small.
- boredumb 3y agoimo using your language of choice as an html templating engine that serves your "static" files is the best choice - you can essentially be left with editign css/js and html files but if you have some neat feature you want to add you can implement it and start taking advantage of the templates to interpolate your new stuff. Keeps your clients small and it's up to you to keep it simple or add what ever giant frameworks you want.
- Dalewyn 3y ago>Why did devs get obsessed with a deeply complex jamstack type thing to do even incredibly simple sites? When all you have are frameworks, everything looks like JavaScript.
- nicbou 3y agoI like static builders. It's just markdown files and some templates. It makes editing much easier. If your website is about the content and not the presentation, it makes a lot of sense. I made my own static site builder (typical HN!) and it's just a python package. At its simplest it depends on Python Markdown and Jinja. The website itself is dead simple and gracefully degrades. It's just text on a page after all.
- jabradoodle 3y agoIronic that this website is so awful; can't remember seeing a page that has links that are indistinguishable from regular text.
- zagrebian 3y agoThe website’s text does not render with JavaScript disabled. IMO, this is a huge blunder for such a simple, static website. Just put the text in the HTML document.
- prakhar897 3y agoI have a few 1-Day made projects. For ex: This one showcases difference between skins in CSGO vs CS2 (https://prakhar897.github.io/CS2vsCSGO/ https://prakhar897.github.io/CS2vsCSGO/). Is it worth it to submit projects like this? Otherwise I think all awards will automatically go to Nicky Case (ncase.me).
- lionkor 3y agoquick note that the videos on that site only sync if they load at the same time, not guaranteed on slower connections
- soulofmischief 3y agoNice, I couldn't load the page without enabling a bunch of useless JavaScript. Maybe we have different definitions of "small".
- astroalex 3y ago> Maybe we have different definitions of "small". You do!
- Solvency 3y ago[flagged]
- rchaud 3y agoThis is a good start. Back in the Flash days, there used to be "Site of the Day" type sites where you could find cool stuff. Unfortunately this quickly got gamed and became a love-in for agency websites, each one upvoting the others, Product Hunt-style. A one-off $500 prize is just enough to get some interesting websites in there, while also not being enough to keep out the Linktree-type sites.
- Solvency 3y agoIt was always like that. And theFWA.com still exists. It's always been an agency showcase. Always. Even back when the Got Milk flash game dropped.
- atum47 3y agoI remember awards being a thing back in the 90's. Best blog, top 10 websites... This and banners exchange. I put i banner on my website point to yours and you do the same. Fun times.
- 2b3a51 3y agoSeamonkey browser reveals no visible content at all when visiting this site - just a blank window. I can see content in 'view source' but the main window won't resolve anything. Links on the command line can resolve the text but of course does not display images. So when the OA says... "Desktop AND mobile: projects must work across both desktop and mobile web" ...could we perhaps focus on what 'work' actually means for a Web site in 2023?
- shlubbert 3y agoI wonder if there'll ever be a webpage submission on HN where 50% of the comments aren't just complaining about the presentation or the way it's been implemented.
- chrismorgan 3y agoIt doesn’t normally happen by any means. It happened this time due to the nature of the submission, which makes it relevant: it’s about the “small web”, but has itself used techniques of the “big web” (and poorly implemented at that) that mesh very poorly with that goal. Ultimately, it is unfortunately an unusually poorly put-together website, which has (at least to this audience, which is more sensitive to such matters than most) undermined its otherwise interesting goal and purpose.
- shlubbert 3y agoIt's an award for sites that "embody the idea of a small, playful and heartfelt web", not for who can code the most minimal and efficient HTML. I don't know what these commenters are trying to demonstrate other than that they missed the point of this entirely well-meaning effort.
- astroalex 3y agoI think you have misunderstood their use of the word "small". It is not small in the sense of having a small file size, loading quickly, or eschewing the use of JavaScript frameworks, but "small" in the sense of being humble, independently created, small in scope, outside commercial activity.