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Would never use a cloud service simply because "its European", it's got to be better and cheaper than AWS.

capableweb 3y ago
Seems they're aiming to capture the market of people who want "green" clouds, not "European" clouds. Besides, if you just want better and cheaper AWS, there is so many options already.
- laurencerowe 3y ago
  Doesn't look like being a green cloud will be a differentiator for very long. "Amazon is the world’s largest corporate purchaser of renewable energy and is on a path to powering our operations with 100% renewable energy by 2025" https://sustainability.aboutamazon.com/environment/renewable-energy https://sustainability.aboutamazon.com/environment/renewable...
  - adrian_mrd 3y ago
    This is for Amazon as a whole (so not AWS) but recent news (26 May 2023) seems that they are targeting net-zero by 2040: "The ecommerce giant recently backed out of a commitment to make 50% of its shipments net-zero carbon by 2030. Amazon said in a statement that it would roll this goal into a broader Climate Pledge to reach net-zero carbon across all its operations by 2040. That's a decade later than the 50% goal, which was called "Shipment Zero" at the time." [0] [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-shipment-zero-gives-up-most-important-part-climate-pledge-2023-5?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-shipment-zero-gives-u... Also worth noting that this is a target. And targets can always shift eg 2040, 2050, etc
- re-thc 3y ago
  > Seems they're aiming to capture the market of people who want "green" clouds, not "European" clouds. Just make a green colored logo and website?
gumballindie 3y ago
A lot of european companies would. You’d be surprised how often saas clients told me to _never_ allow client data to get anywhere near a us company. People around europe are very privacy aware.
- dontupvoteme 3y ago
  It's something most Americans don't appreciate. Half of Europe suffered under or from a totalitarian regime not that long ago and set up their respective barriers. Some people give it lip service in America for political points but they don't understand it on a fundamental level - most of them would turn around and complain about why google street view doesn't work in Germany. I say this as someone who has bounced around between both sides of the pond
  - wbl 3y ago
    Meanwhile the Dutch security services had a truly ridiculous number of wiretaps.
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    - DyslexicAtheist 3y ago
      they did and still do https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36229557 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36229557
      - Aeolun 3y ago
        You mean they don’t want to keep filling out forms and wait for approval to be able to help someone that got hacked?
        wbl 3y ago
        When the cops don't need to fill out forms to catch criminals that's a police state.
Dudester230602 3y ago
I wonder what kind of talent they will be able to hire, paying the usual European taxed peanuts.
- dontupvoteme 3y ago
  People choose to live in Europe for reasons other than money. Things money can't buy.
  - Dudester230602 3y ago
    They can give out stock? Being taken for a ride is being taken for a ride.
    - dontupvoteme 3y ago
      Basal capitalistic view. What's the most beautiful city you've ever visited and why?
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      - _dain_ 3y ago
        a beautiful retirement home is still a retirement home. you either grow your own economy or become a vassal to someone else who does. if europe keeps stagnating and america keeps posting 4% gdp growth, a day will come when the EU can pass as many laws as they like and it won't matter. it'll be like some shitpoor latin american country against united fruit.
        dontupvoteme 3y ago
        "economy" is a meme - both china and the EU realized that this anglo-american system has its weaknesses which can be exploited The Chinese did it by just taking all the IP they could get as a requirement to sell in their nation The Europeans did it by requiring companies to abide by their new law or pay out fines(basically a quasitax) The capitalistic system is an addict to access to markets. Governments setup their various Guardrails to ensure that it can't entirely (i lack a nice word for this verb) their society and peoples.
wmf 3y ago
US clouds will be banned in EU so it's a captive market.
- surgical_fire 3y ago
  Interesting. Any sources on this?
  - Karunamon 3y ago
    Straightforward synthesis of widely known information regarding incompatibility between the laws of the countries (GDPR/CLOUD Act). If US companies can't process the data of EU citizens because they are unable to say no to the US spying apparatus, or even keep them at arms length, where do you think that leaves them?
  - wmf 3y ago
    https://www.csis.org/analysis/cloud-act-and-transatlantic-trust https://www.csis.org/analysis/cloud-act-and-transatlantic-tr...

Seems they're aiming to capture the market of people who want "green" clouds, not "European" clouds. Besides, if you just want better and cheaper AWS, there is so many options already.

laurencerowe 3y ago
Doesn't look like being a green cloud will be a differentiator for very long. "Amazon is the world’s largest corporate purchaser of renewable energy and is on a path to powering our operations with 100% renewable energy by 2025" https://sustainability.aboutamazon.com/environment/renewable-energy https://sustainability.aboutamazon.com/environment/renewable...
- adrian_mrd 3y ago
  This is for Amazon as a whole (so not AWS) but recent news (26 May 2023) seems that they are targeting net-zero by 2040: "The ecommerce giant recently backed out of a commitment to make 50% of its shipments net-zero carbon by 2030. Amazon said in a statement that it would roll this goal into a broader Climate Pledge to reach net-zero carbon across all its operations by 2040. That's a decade later than the 50% goal, which was called "Shipment Zero" at the time." [0] [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-shipment-zero-gives-up-most-important-part-climate-pledge-2023-5?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-shipment-zero-gives-u... Also worth noting that this is a target. And targets can always shift eg 2040, 2050, etc
re-thc 3y ago
> Seems they're aiming to capture the market of people who want "green" clouds, not "European" clouds. Just make a green colored logo and website?

gumballindie 3y ago

A lot of european companies would. You’d be surprised how often saas clients told me to _never_ allow client data to get anywhere near a us company. People around europe are very privacy aware.

dontupvoteme 3y ago
It's something most Americans don't appreciate. Half of Europe suffered under or from a totalitarian regime not that long ago and set up their respective barriers. Some people give it lip service in America for political points but they don't understand it on a fundamental level - most of them would turn around and complain about why google street view doesn't work in Germany. I say this as someone who has bounced around between both sides of the pond
- wbl 3y ago
  Meanwhile the Dutch security services had a truly ridiculous number of wiretaps.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - DyslexicAtheist 3y ago
    they did and still do https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36229557 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36229557
    - Aeolun 3y ago
      You mean they don’t want to keep filling out forms and wait for approval to be able to help someone that got hacked?
      - wbl 3y ago
        When the cops don't need to fill out forms to catch criminals that's a police state.

Dudester230602 3y ago

I wonder what kind of talent they will be able to hire, paying the usual European taxed peanuts.

dontupvoteme 3y ago
People choose to live in Europe for reasons other than money. Things money can't buy.
- Dudester230602 3y ago
  They can give out stock? Being taken for a ride is being taken for a ride.
  - dontupvoteme 3y ago
    Basal capitalistic view. What's the most beautiful city you've ever visited and why?
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - _dain_ 3y ago
      a beautiful retirement home is still a retirement home. you either grow your own economy or become a vassal to someone else who does. if europe keeps stagnating and america keeps posting 4% gdp growth, a day will come when the EU can pass as many laws as they like and it won't matter. it'll be like some shitpoor latin american country against united fruit.
      - dontupvoteme 3y ago
        "economy" is a meme - both china and the EU realized that this anglo-american system has its weaknesses which can be exploited The Chinese did it by just taking all the IP they could get as a requirement to sell in their nation The Europeans did it by requiring companies to abide by their new law or pay out fines(basically a quasitax) The capitalistic system is an addict to access to markets. Governments setup their various Guardrails to ensure that it can't entirely (i lack a nice word for this verb) their society and peoples.

wmf 3y ago

US clouds will be banned in EU so it's a captive market.

surgical_fire 3y ago
Interesting. Any sources on this?
- Karunamon 3y ago
  Straightforward synthesis of widely known information regarding incompatibility between the laws of the countries (GDPR/CLOUD Act). If US companies can't process the data of EU citizens because they are unable to say no to the US spying apparatus, or even keep them at arms length, where do you think that leaves them?
- wmf 3y ago
  https://www.csis.org/analysis/cloud-act-and-transatlantic-trust https://www.csis.org/analysis/cloud-act-and-transatlantic-tr...