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Why did people not get this apoplectic when Twitter and Facebook killed 3rd party clients?

by Yhippa 3y ago

daveidol 3y ago
Probably because Reddit's mobile pretense was literally born on third party apps, as there was no official mobile client for years. Plus - it's the manner in which Reddit has conducted themselves here. Not just the fact they are making the changes, but how they went about making them.
kstrauser 3y ago
I deleted my account when they killed Tweetbot. It was a reminder of how much contempt they felt for their users and it prompted me to do something I'd been idly considering for a while anyway.
dotnet00 3y ago
They don't rely as much on unpaid outsiders to run their communities. As in, you're more likely to get banned altogether from Twitter or Facebook by some automated system, while Reddit relies on volunteer moderators so most of the time, bans will be on a per sub basis by those volunteers. On top of that, afaik, Facebook and Twitter didn't try to spread lies about 3rd party devs using the drama as leverage to blackmail them. I don't recall much about when Facebook did it, but with Twitter, I think Musk was pretty straight with saying that those 3rd party apps cost money to support and he'd rather do it in house. Finally, Reddit relies on volunteer moderators, but does not (and has for years promised but failed to) offer the associated tools moderators need. So all those are third party things which also end up in doubt with these changes. With the way Reddit have attempted to deny that they want to kill 3rd party apps despite it being obvious, and the lies about devs, I think it'd leave an even more sour taste to everyone if they tried to carve out an exemption for specifically moderation tools, since it'd make it even more apparent what their goal is.
add-sub-mul-div 3y ago
I did delete all my tweets and my Twitter account. But the majority of people don't take action or aren't aware of what's going on, in the general case. So they passively suffer a worsening user experience forever or until there's a big enough crowd for them to follow to a new option. Reddit/Twitter only caring about short term metrics and survival don't care about the further out timeline.

Why did people not get this apoplectic when Twitter and Facebook killed 3rd party clients?

by Yhippa 3y ago

Why did people not get this apoplectic when Twitter and Facebook killed 3rd party clients?

Probably because Reddit's mobile pretense was literally born on third party apps, as there was no official mobile client for years. Plus - it's the manner in which Reddit has conducted themselves here. Not just the fact they are making the changes, but how they went about making them.

kstrauser 3y ago

I deleted my account when they killed Tweetbot. It was a reminder of how much contempt they felt for their users and it prompted me to do something I'd been idly considering for a while anyway.

dotnet00 3y ago

They don't rely as much on unpaid outsiders to run their communities. As in, you're more likely to get banned altogether from Twitter or Facebook by some automated system, while Reddit relies on volunteer moderators so most of the time, bans will be on a per sub basis by those volunteers. On top of that, afaik, Facebook and Twitter didn't try to spread lies about 3rd party devs using the drama as leverage to blackmail them. I don't recall much about when Facebook did it, but with Twitter, I think Musk was pretty straight with saying that those 3rd party apps cost money to support and he'd rather do it in house. Finally, Reddit relies on volunteer moderators, but does not (and has for years promised but failed to) offer the associated tools moderators need. So all those are third party things which also end up in doubt with these changes. With the way Reddit have attempted to deny that they want to kill 3rd party apps despite it being obvious, and the lies about devs, I think it'd leave an even more sour taste to everyone if they tried to carve out an exemption for specifically moderation tools, since it'd make it even more apparent what their goal is.

add-sub-mul-div 3y ago

I did delete all my tweets and my Twitter account. But the majority of people don't take action or aren't aware of what's going on, in the general case. So they passively suffer a worsening user experience forever or until there's a big enough crowd for them to follow to a new option. Reddit/Twitter only caring about short term metrics and survival don't care about the further out timeline.