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Assuming that the linked post is accurate and that the "approval from senior leadership" to turn the dump back on does not come...then yes, I would say so. Actu

Assuming that the linked post is accurate and that the "approval from senior leadership" to turn the dump back on does not come...then yes, I would say so. Actually there is already Codidact, although if I recall correctly they explicitly ruled out importing SE data when they started up. https://codidact.org https://codidact.org

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Wowfunhappy 3y ago
Yeah, Codidact isn't a "fork" because they don't use the SE data.
- shagie 3y ago
  It’s a fork of the community rather than the data and content.
  - sitkack 3y ago
    You really would need an existing dump to seed the new site.
    - shagie 3y ago
      There were a number of issues that lead to the decision not to do a grab and seed of SE into codidact. There was the "what license is that post actually under? Is it 2.5? 3.0? 4.0?" which made things difficult. There was the "what are the actual attribution requirements that SE has for sites that use its content?" This is a bit of an issue because it's never really clear what those requirements are and what you need to do. It can also hurt SEO because it's duplicated content. Furthermore, codidact leadership had already and enough dealings with SE lawyers and likely wanted to avoid any other. Lastly, there was the desire to make a philosophical break with SE. The codidact founders didn't want to have anything to do with SE. Some sites are doing ok. Others stood up but didn't have sufficient involvement to keep them going. For a counter example, "PhysisOverflow" has an import tool that they use. https://www.physicsoverflow.org/4536/import-queue https://www.physicsoverflow.org/4536/import-queue Having an imported site that is mostly inactive with activity on that same content is even more disappointing than having a mostly empty site. And active mirroring is a time-consuming process that runs into rate limit issues with an API.
      - sitkack 3y ago
        Thanks for the write up. https://software.codidact.com/categories/38 https://software.codidact.com/categories/38 I haven't used codidact (sorry, name needs replacing), ok just poked around * too slow * needs type ahead find search * needs a GIST experience The site looks good, presentation is really clean. Lots to like about it. But the think that replaces SO is going to have to be a step function in capabilities. That said, just fixing the weird descend into performative rule following and language-lawyering on SO might be that step function. * "Tipping" or actually giving money to a question answerer would be cool * Having a question asker being able to put a bounty on question would be cool On the face of it, I am not getting scalability (in many senses) vibes from codidact.
        shagie 3y ago
        Personally when the fork happened, I was interested in it... but I'm mostly "meh" about it since its another Q&A style format that maintains all the advantages and disadvantages of the format that SO provides. I really hoped that they would have gone for something much more radical in terms of trying to create a way to share knowledge. It's Stack(Exchange|Overflow) with better governance and a different development cycle time and focus - and I appreciate that... but its still that same Stack in terms of underlying format. I would have been more interested if they went to something like how Discourse is different from forums. It's still a forum, but it took the structure of a forum in a new way that solves some of the traditional forum issues. I'd also suggest checking out https://topanswers.xyz https://topanswers.xyz ( https://topanswers.xyz/tex https://topanswers.xyz/tex is one of the more active ones). For example https://topanswers.xyz/tex?q=4593 https://topanswers.xyz/tex?q=4593 - and you'll note that there's a chat rather than comments on a question or an answer... But getting that community there, and stable, and growing is a very hard problem. It's one of the things that Reddit and SO are fairly successful at doing because of the network effects and the corresponding exoduses from other services when they were growing. There was a compelling story to tell of "why do you ant to switch." There's a story now, but mastodon, Lemmy, codidact and similar haven't really stood out. It feels like "we're the same but better... if you ignore the performance of the site." "Yea, I could switch from reading reddit to reading Lemmy... but it doesn't have a feed of 200 cat pictures I need each day for my daily dose of eye bleach."

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Wowfunhappy 3y ago

Yeah, Codidact isn't a "fork" because they don't use the SE data.

shagie 3y ago
It’s a fork of the community rather than the data and content.
- sitkack 3y ago
  You really would need an existing dump to seed the new site.
  - shagie 3y ago
    There were a number of issues that lead to the decision not to do a grab and seed of SE into codidact. There was the "what license is that post actually under? Is it 2.5? 3.0? 4.0?" which made things difficult. There was the "what are the actual attribution requirements that SE has for sites that use its content?" This is a bit of an issue because it's never really clear what those requirements are and what you need to do. It can also hurt SEO because it's duplicated content. Furthermore, codidact leadership had already and enough dealings with SE lawyers and likely wanted to avoid any other. Lastly, there was the desire to make a philosophical break with SE. The codidact founders didn't want to have anything to do with SE. Some sites are doing ok. Others stood up but didn't have sufficient involvement to keep them going. For a counter example, "PhysisOverflow" has an import tool that they use. https://www.physicsoverflow.org/4536/import-queue https://www.physicsoverflow.org/4536/import-queue Having an imported site that is mostly inactive with activity on that same content is even more disappointing than having a mostly empty site. And active mirroring is a time-consuming process that runs into rate limit issues with an API.
    - sitkack 3y ago
      Thanks for the write up. https://software.codidact.com/categories/38 https://software.codidact.com/categories/38 I haven't used codidact (sorry, name needs replacing), ok just poked around * too slow * needs type ahead find search * needs a GIST experience The site looks good, presentation is really clean. Lots to like about it. But the think that replaces SO is going to have to be a step function in capabilities. That said, just fixing the weird descend into performative rule following and language-lawyering on SO might be that step function. * "Tipping" or actually giving money to a question answerer would be cool * Having a question asker being able to put a bounty on question would be cool On the face of it, I am not getting scalability (in many senses) vibes from codidact.
      - shagie 3y ago
        Personally when the fork happened, I was interested in it... but I'm mostly "meh" about it since its another Q&A style format that maintains all the advantages and disadvantages of the format that SO provides. I really hoped that they would have gone for something much more radical in terms of trying to create a way to share knowledge. It's Stack(Exchange|Overflow) with better governance and a different development cycle time and focus - and I appreciate that... but its still that same Stack in terms of underlying format. I would have been more interested if they went to something like how Discourse is different from forums. It's still a forum, but it took the structure of a forum in a new way that solves some of the traditional forum issues. I'd also suggest checking out https://topanswers.xyz https://topanswers.xyz ( https://topanswers.xyz/tex https://topanswers.xyz/tex is one of the more active ones). For example https://topanswers.xyz/tex?q=4593 https://topanswers.xyz/tex?q=4593 - and you'll note that there's a chat rather than comments on a question or an answer... But getting that community there, and stable, and growing is a very hard problem. It's one of the things that Reddit and SO are fairly successful at doing because of the network effects and the corresponding exoduses from other services when they were growing. There was a compelling story to tell of "why do you ant to switch." There's a story now, but mastodon, Lemmy, codidact and similar haven't really stood out. It feels like "we're the same but better... if you ignore the performance of the site." "Yea, I could switch from reading reddit to reading Lemmy... but it doesn't have a feed of 200 cat pictures I need each day for my daily dose of eye bleach."