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Although these devices will be compared to each other ceaselessly, I think they're targeting two distinct markets. Apple believes that Vision Pro is the future

Although these devices will be compared to each other ceaselessly, I think they're targeting two distinct markets. Apple believes that Vision Pro is the future of personal computing. Meta keeps marketing the Quest as social-connected VR gaming device. The former market is far larger and anything that displaces the PC will be transcendental. Although Meta will sell more units in the short-term due to Apple's pricing, I do think they will have a tough time catching Apple on the hardware. The eye-tracking, <12ms image processing and display, and the M2 are things that Meta is well behind on. Zuck mentioned that activity and "doing things" are Meta advantages, but people don't want to exercise while gaming or consuming entertainment.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
> Zuck mentioned that activity and "doing things" are Meta advantages, but people don't want to exercise while gaming or consuming entertainment. A lot of people actually do. There is a whole community built around it.
- throwaway2990 3y ago
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  - mynameisvlad 3y ago
    Ew. Fat shaming is not a good look. You don’t know them. You don’t know the reasons for their weight. They very well could be using the device daily to exercise for all you know and it could be an issue with his metabolism. Or another medical condition. Or a side effect of drugs. Or literally hundreds of other reasons.
    - Takennickname 3y ago
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        throwaway2990 3y ago
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        Takennickname 3y ago
        It is very obvious that that they have neither an exercise routine nor a healthy diet. It shows in the skin, the hair, the posture, the confidence etc. The only way that's not true, is if by some miracle he had multiple separate conditions that somehow when put together appear like a person who is sedentary by habit and enjoys junk food. Nevermind the typical reddit mod looking apartment we saw in the $5k challenge. None of this some unique story. It's all the same pattern. It's just an exceptionally public one.
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        So you live with them? Or are their doctor? That's how you know all this, and can say it with absolute confidence, right? Oh wait, no, it's all just speculation and shitty assumptions by someone who has nothing better to do with their life. You don't know them. You don't know their struggles. Stop pretending that you do. Fat can come and go, but your personality is here to stay.
        throwaway2990 3y ago
        Fat may come and go until you have a heart attack because of an unhealthy life style. > You don’t know them. If I did I would have helped them exercise and lose some weight. Get healthy. So that keyboard warriors don’t come along trying to defend their unhealthy lifestyle choices.
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
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    - throwaway2990 3y ago
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    - vjjsejj 3y ago
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      - mynameisvlad 3y ago
        I actually changed the pronouns once I saw the video that was pointed out and which multiple people pointed out was news to them (like seemingly everyone else, I don’t follow their channel and it was announced only 2 weeks ago so it’s not like it’s common knowledge yet), but I’m not the one that literally dead named them along with using their old pronouns. Could you possibly be more misguided here? Like come on.
        aldonius 3y ago
        (you missed one of the pronouns, which might be the issue here)
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        Too late to edit now, but unlike the commenter I originally replied to, I at least made an effort rather than replying “Noted” and calling it a day. But that’s still apparently not enough. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
        throwaway2990 3y ago
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        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        Changing their pronouns would have had no material impact on comprehension, even if you kept the dead name. Using their name and linking to their video would have similarly been clear. You chose to do neither.
        throwaway2990 3y ago
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  - Hamuko 3y ago
    Sounds like the age-old home gym equipment tale. I imagine there are more stationary bikes being used as clothes rack than as exercise equipment.
  - htag 3y ago
    I'm unsure if you meant to deadname Emily, or if you are unaware of her public transition a couple of weeks ago. https://youtu.be/b-owBhLGaH4 https://youtu.be/b-owBhLGaH4
    - mjamesaustin 3y ago
      News to me – way to go, Emily! Love her videos, and really glad to see her taking this scary and exciting step into public life. Looking forward to more great content from her in the future!
      - throwaway2990 3y ago
        News to me too. Explains why there hasn’t been any videos recently with them. Noted.
ceejayoz 3y ago
> people don't want to exercise while gaming Quite a few do. I use Beatsaber, Pistol Whip, and Superhot (more yoga-y than exercise) for this. Boredom during exercise is my primary issue with sustaining it; VR has removed that obstacle.
- ravst3s 3y ago
  Sure, some people do, but the majority of people are not looking to exercise while gaming. It's a niche use case. The Wii lost its novelty pretty quickly. If you're gaming for 3-4 hours, watching a movie, or using the device for productivity you're going to be seated or standing still. Also, Vision Pro can be a mobile device, albeit for <2 hrs. Imo, Gaming will not be the primary use case for these devices.
  - mcphage 3y ago
    > The Wii lost its novelty pretty quickly. It really didn’t. Ring Fit Adventure, a successor to the Wii Fit titles, sold 15 million copies for the Switch. Nintendo Switch Sports sold almost 9 million. Those are solid numbers. The kind of motion control the Wii used is still used for those titles, and they’re still popular.
    - ravst3s 3y ago
      That's decent for single games, but overall those are low figures. These companies are aiming to have installed bases in the hundreds of millions if not billions. Active gaming will be a nice use case, but will not be the reason 40-50m people buy a headset every year.
      - shard 3y ago
        Don't forget Just Dance. Just Dance 2 was the best selling 3rd party title for the Wii. Just Dance 3 was the 2nd best selling title of 2011, behind Call of Duty. As of 2013, Just Dance is Ubisoft's 2nd biggest franchise, behind Assassin's Creed. Teenage girls nowadays are still playing Just Dance all night at sleep overs.
rpastuszak 3y ago
Yup, I think the main difference is the default use case: - Oculus <=> content consumption - Apple Vision <=> productivity
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seanmcdirmid 3y ago

> Zuck mentioned that activity and "doing things" are Meta advantages, but people don't want to exercise while gaming or consuming entertainment. A lot of people actually do. There is a whole community built around it.

throwaway2990 3y ago
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- mynameisvlad 3y ago
  Ew. Fat shaming is not a good look. You don’t know them. You don’t know the reasons for their weight. They very well could be using the device daily to exercise for all you know and it could be an issue with his metabolism. Or another medical condition. Or a side effect of drugs. Or literally hundreds of other reasons.
  - Takennickname 3y ago
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      - throwaway2990 3y ago
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      - Takennickname 3y ago
        It is very obvious that that they have neither an exercise routine nor a healthy diet. It shows in the skin, the hair, the posture, the confidence etc. The only way that's not true, is if by some miracle he had multiple separate conditions that somehow when put together appear like a person who is sedentary by habit and enjoys junk food. Nevermind the typical reddit mod looking apartment we saw in the $5k challenge. None of this some unique story. It's all the same pattern. It's just an exceptionally public one.
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        So you live with them? Or are their doctor? That's how you know all this, and can say it with absolute confidence, right? Oh wait, no, it's all just speculation and shitty assumptions by someone who has nothing better to do with their life. You don't know them. You don't know their struggles. Stop pretending that you do. Fat can come and go, but your personality is here to stay.
        throwaway2990 3y ago
        Fat may come and go until you have a heart attack because of an unhealthy life style. > You don’t know them. If I did I would have helped them exercise and lose some weight. Get healthy. So that keyboard warriors don’t come along trying to defend their unhealthy lifestyle choices.
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
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  - vjjsejj 3y ago
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    - mynameisvlad 3y ago
      I actually changed the pronouns once I saw the video that was pointed out and which multiple people pointed out was news to them (like seemingly everyone else, I don’t follow their channel and it was announced only 2 weeks ago so it’s not like it’s common knowledge yet), but I’m not the one that literally dead named them along with using their old pronouns. Could you possibly be more misguided here? Like come on.
      - aldonius 3y ago
        (you missed one of the pronouns, which might be the issue here)
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        Too late to edit now, but unlike the commenter I originally replied to, I at least made an effort rather than replying “Noted” and calling it a day. But that’s still apparently not enough. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      - throwaway2990 3y ago
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        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        Changing their pronouns would have had no material impact on comprehension, even if you kept the dead name. Using their name and linking to their video would have similarly been clear. You chose to do neither.
        throwaway2990 3y ago
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- Hamuko 3y ago
  Sounds like the age-old home gym equipment tale. I imagine there are more stationary bikes being used as clothes rack than as exercise equipment.
- htag 3y ago
  I'm unsure if you meant to deadname Emily, or if you are unaware of her public transition a couple of weeks ago. https://youtu.be/b-owBhLGaH4 https://youtu.be/b-owBhLGaH4
  - mjamesaustin 3y ago
    News to me – way to go, Emily! Love her videos, and really glad to see her taking this scary and exciting step into public life. Looking forward to more great content from her in the future!
    - throwaway2990 3y ago
      News to me too. Explains why there hasn’t been any videos recently with them. Noted.

ceejayoz 3y ago

> people don't want to exercise while gaming Quite a few do. I use Beatsaber, Pistol Whip, and Superhot (more yoga-y than exercise) for this. Boredom during exercise is my primary issue with sustaining it; VR has removed that obstacle.

ravst3s 3y ago
Sure, some people do, but the majority of people are not looking to exercise while gaming. It's a niche use case. The Wii lost its novelty pretty quickly. If you're gaming for 3-4 hours, watching a movie, or using the device for productivity you're going to be seated or standing still. Also, Vision Pro can be a mobile device, albeit for <2 hrs. Imo, Gaming will not be the primary use case for these devices.
- mcphage 3y ago
  > The Wii lost its novelty pretty quickly. It really didn’t. Ring Fit Adventure, a successor to the Wii Fit titles, sold 15 million copies for the Switch. Nintendo Switch Sports sold almost 9 million. Those are solid numbers. The kind of motion control the Wii used is still used for those titles, and they’re still popular.
  - ravst3s 3y ago
    That's decent for single games, but overall those are low figures. These companies are aiming to have installed bases in the hundreds of millions if not billions. Active gaming will be a nice use case, but will not be the reason 40-50m people buy a headset every year.
    - shard 3y ago
      Don't forget Just Dance. Just Dance 2 was the best selling 3rd party title for the Wii. Just Dance 3 was the 2nd best selling title of 2011, behind Call of Duty. As of 2013, Just Dance is Ubisoft's 2nd biggest franchise, behind Assassin's Creed. Teenage girls nowadays are still playing Just Dance all night at sleep overs.

rpastuszak 3y ago

Yup, I think the main difference is the default use case: - Oculus <=> content consumption - Apple Vision <=> productivity

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