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I mean, what else is he going to say to his own employees?

catchnear4321 3y ago
admit the competition may have done something interesting? point out there are things to learn from this? suggest that it would take the company’s best efforts, but that it could do better? you don’t have to shit on the other team to say your team can be the best. this was an attempt to suggest apple is somehow less personable than zuck.
- alanwreath 3y ago
  There is a veiled “we’ve got work to do” admission: “ And seeing what they put out there and how they’re going to compete just made me even more excited and in a lot of ways optimistic that what we’re doing matters and is going to succeed. But it’s going to be a fun journey. “ 1: they admit that having Apple dip into a category validates it 2: the “fun” is a euphemism for - we need to get our s@!t together quick, expect some all nighters
  - catchnear4321 3y ago
    apple just validated his seemingly overzealous stab into the space. he wasn’t completely wrong. zuck had, arguably still has, a chance for a real hero arc here. his recent pr piece about local martial arts tournament was endearing. veiled admissions and euphemisms are just silly, and hint that this might just be more of the same. nothing at all.
- GreedClarifies 3y ago
  Not after burning 40B USD. He had no choice but to present a strong facade. The Apple device looks impressive and the use cases presented seem plausible. It is expensive no doubt, but if they can convince the jet set crowd to wear it then it will catch on.
  - catchnear4321 3y ago
    40B worth of lessons, spun right. its 2023, vulnerability and transparency can be signs of strength now. for those brave enough.
    - riwsky 3y ago
      Meh. You can keep the last few years of Meta VR “advances”; for the price, I’d much rather just buy 11 million Vision Pros.
Clubber 3y ago
"Five hundred dollars? Fully subsidized? With a plan? I said that is the most expensive phone in the world," Ballmer reportedly said of the first iPhone. "And it doesn't appeal to business customers because it doesn't have a keyboard. Which makes it not a very good email machine."
- ThrowawayR2 3y ago
  That's just cherry picking. Lots of people said the Apple Newton would likely be a flop and it was indeed a flop.
  - Clubber 3y ago
    Are you arguing that Apple's headset will be a flop, or just being contradictory?
  - eunoia 3y ago
    That's... also cherry picking?
    - Dylan16807 3y ago
      Yes. That's the point. It shows that the previous comment is cherry picking by providing a contrasting example, and it shows how cherry picking can say anything.
  - dagmx 3y ago
    To move the goalposts slightly, Apple is a very different company pre and post Jobs return. They had tons of flops before he came back, but the company is almost completely changed post. of course, one could argue that he’s gone and that is lost as well, but they seem to continue delivering imho
    - JimDabell 3y ago
      By all accounts, Apple have absolutely nailed it when it comes to how the product works. The key to its wide-scale success from this point forward is not how well the product works, but in making it affordable to the masses. Apple have already cleared the “needs amazing product thinking” hurdle and now it’s all about getting the supply chain to where it needs to be. They don’t need a Jobs, they need a Cook.

admit the competition may have done something interesting? point out there are things to learn from this? suggest that it would take the company’s best efforts, but that it could do better? you don’t have to shit on the other team to say your team can be the best. this was an attempt to suggest apple is somehow less personable than zuck.

alanwreath 3y ago
There is a veiled “we’ve got work to do” admission: “ And seeing what they put out there and how they’re going to compete just made me even more excited and in a lot of ways optimistic that what we’re doing matters and is going to succeed. But it’s going to be a fun journey. “ 1: they admit that having Apple dip into a category validates it 2: the “fun” is a euphemism for - we need to get our s@!t together quick, expect some all nighters
- catchnear4321 3y ago
  apple just validated his seemingly overzealous stab into the space. he wasn’t completely wrong. zuck had, arguably still has, a chance for a real hero arc here. his recent pr piece about local martial arts tournament was endearing. veiled admissions and euphemisms are just silly, and hint that this might just be more of the same. nothing at all.
GreedClarifies 3y ago
Not after burning 40B USD. He had no choice but to present a strong facade. The Apple device looks impressive and the use cases presented seem plausible. It is expensive no doubt, but if they can convince the jet set crowd to wear it then it will catch on.
- catchnear4321 3y ago
  40B worth of lessons, spun right. its 2023, vulnerability and transparency can be signs of strength now. for those brave enough.
  - riwsky 3y ago
    Meh. You can keep the last few years of Meta VR “advances”; for the price, I’d much rather just buy 11 million Vision Pros.

Clubber 3y ago

"Five hundred dollars? Fully subsidized? With a plan? I said that is the most expensive phone in the world," Ballmer reportedly said of the first iPhone. "And it doesn't appeal to business customers because it doesn't have a keyboard. Which makes it not a very good email machine."

ThrowawayR2 3y ago
That's just cherry picking. Lots of people said the Apple Newton would likely be a flop and it was indeed a flop.
- Clubber 3y ago
  Are you arguing that Apple's headset will be a flop, or just being contradictory?
- eunoia 3y ago
  That's... also cherry picking?
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    Yes. That's the point. It shows that the previous comment is cherry picking by providing a contrasting example, and it shows how cherry picking can say anything.
- dagmx 3y ago
  To move the goalposts slightly, Apple is a very different company pre and post Jobs return. They had tons of flops before he came back, but the company is almost completely changed post. of course, one could argue that he’s gone and that is lost as well, but they seem to continue delivering imho
  - JimDabell 3y ago
    By all accounts, Apple have absolutely nailed it when it comes to how the product works. The key to its wide-scale success from this point forward is not how well the product works, but in making it affordable to the masses. Apple have already cleared the “needs amazing product thinking” hurdle and now it’s all about getting the supply chain to where it needs to be. They don’t need a Jobs, they need a Cook.