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The china spat is _nowhere_ near the prelude to iraq’s invasion.

by gumballindie 3y ago

vkou 3y ago
Yeah, unlike Iraq, China actually does have WMDs. A shooting war with it is incredibly dangerous brinksmanship.
- gumballindie 3y ago
  I have a feeling that should push come to shove china will turn out to be an overrated “power”, much like russia. I have nothing against china to be honest, i admire their determination and capacity to grow, but absolutely dislike their desire to expand militarily. While war is dangerous and undesirable for us, it is worse and even less desirable for china. If anything, their posturing will galvanise the much needed relationship between the us, free europe, and aligned nations even further. Personally i find such outcome good for us, and totally not desirable for china, russia, and other wannabe “powers”.
  - sterlind 3y ago
    Unlike Russia, China actually makes stuff domestically. Like, a majority of the world's stuff, even. So their supply chain is rock solid. Also, China's corruption is a lot more.. functional.. than Russia. It oils the machine, blends with networking, rewards being a little greedy but punishes excess. And leadership is much more calculating and plans long-term. They've built on multi-decade plans successfully, frankly surpassing the West in that regard. And finally, I think war is equally undesirable for us and China, considering we both have nukes, and direct war between nuclear powers is unacceptable. Nuclear wars have no winners.
    - gumballindie 3y ago
      I agree with everything, particularly with: > And finally, I think war is equally undesirable for us and China, considering we both have nukes, and direct war between nuclear powers is unacceptable. Nuclear wars have no winners. It is a shame that china is taking the route of russia in lingering over its “glorious” past. If it would just settle it’s differences with taiwan and accept that taiwan can be like austria is for germany, allow hong kong a special status, and move on from all this petty posturing and warmongering, it would easily double its gdp and most important it would stand a chance at lifting its citizens out of poverty. But it all boils down to the “ambitions” of insecure leaders, as in any country that takes that route. And for me personally that makes china a huge disappointment - i really thought it could do better.
      - vkou 3y ago
        It'll double it's GDP regardless of whether it follows through on its imperial ambitions or not, though. Meanwhile, the only thing that's doubling in Russia is the price of butter.
    - splistud 3y ago
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ramesh31 3y ago
>The china spat is _nowhere_ near the prelude to iraq’s invasion. They're just getting warmed up. The way China's legitimate concerns are just completely washed away in the American press at this point is honestly terrifying. We don't stop for even a second to wonder how we'd feel about Chinese warships cruising 12 miles off the coast of Miami, regardless of the "legality" of it. There are concessions to be made on both sides. But if cable news were to be believed, you'd think that China was actively taking over the world. I am not simping for the CCP here. But we're starting to look apoplectic in comparison.
- lostlogin 3y ago
  > We don't stop for even a second to wonder how we'd feel about Chinese warships cruising off the coast of Miami, regardless of the "legality" of it. Spy balloons in your airspace is in a similar category. They weren’t armed, but could clearly spy.
  - gizmo686 3y ago
    Until 2020, the US was part of the Open Skys treaty, which was specifically for allowing member states to fly unarmed spy aircraft in each others airspace. China was never a member, so wasn't covered under it, but Russia was until they withdrew in 2021. The only reason the US responded at all was internall politics. Geopolitically, we already assume that anything with line-of-sight to the sky is observable, and that this is probably good for geopolitical stability.
- jjoonathan 3y ago
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  - ecshafer 3y ago
    Last I checked, Taiwan is not a territory or state of the United States. Why should some kid from Kansas pick up a rifle for Taiwan?
    - 3y ago

The china spat is _nowhere_ near the prelude to iraq’s invasion.

vkou 3y ago

Yeah, unlike Iraq, China actually does have WMDs. A shooting war with it is incredibly dangerous brinksmanship.

gumballindie 3y ago
I have a feeling that should push come to shove china will turn out to be an overrated “power”, much like russia. I have nothing against china to be honest, i admire their determination and capacity to grow, but absolutely dislike their desire to expand militarily. While war is dangerous and undesirable for us, it is worse and even less desirable for china. If anything, their posturing will galvanise the much needed relationship between the us, free europe, and aligned nations even further. Personally i find such outcome good for us, and totally not desirable for china, russia, and other wannabe “powers”.
- sterlind 3y ago
  Unlike Russia, China actually makes stuff domestically. Like, a majority of the world's stuff, even. So their supply chain is rock solid. Also, China's corruption is a lot more.. functional.. than Russia. It oils the machine, blends with networking, rewards being a little greedy but punishes excess. And leadership is much more calculating and plans long-term. They've built on multi-decade plans successfully, frankly surpassing the West in that regard. And finally, I think war is equally undesirable for us and China, considering we both have nukes, and direct war between nuclear powers is unacceptable. Nuclear wars have no winners.
  - gumballindie 3y ago
    I agree with everything, particularly with: > And finally, I think war is equally undesirable for us and China, considering we both have nukes, and direct war between nuclear powers is unacceptable. Nuclear wars have no winners. It is a shame that china is taking the route of russia in lingering over its “glorious” past. If it would just settle it’s differences with taiwan and accept that taiwan can be like austria is for germany, allow hong kong a special status, and move on from all this petty posturing and warmongering, it would easily double its gdp and most important it would stand a chance at lifting its citizens out of poverty. But it all boils down to the “ambitions” of insecure leaders, as in any country that takes that route. And for me personally that makes china a huge disappointment - i really thought it could do better.
    - vkou 3y ago
      It'll double it's GDP regardless of whether it follows through on its imperial ambitions or not, though. Meanwhile, the only thing that's doubling in Russia is the price of butter.
  - splistud 3y ago
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ramesh31 3y ago

>The china spat is _nowhere_ near the prelude to iraq’s invasion. They're just getting warmed up. The way China's legitimate concerns are just completely washed away in the American press at this point is honestly terrifying. We don't stop for even a second to wonder how we'd feel about Chinese warships cruising 12 miles off the coast of Miami, regardless of the "legality" of it. There are concessions to be made on both sides. But if cable news were to be believed, you'd think that China was actively taking over the world. I am not simping for the CCP here. But we're starting to look apoplectic in comparison.

lostlogin 3y ago
> We don't stop for even a second to wonder how we'd feel about Chinese warships cruising off the coast of Miami, regardless of the "legality" of it. Spy balloons in your airspace is in a similar category. They weren’t armed, but could clearly spy.
- gizmo686 3y ago
  Until 2020, the US was part of the Open Skys treaty, which was specifically for allowing member states to fly unarmed spy aircraft in each others airspace. China was never a member, so wasn't covered under it, but Russia was until they withdrew in 2021. The only reason the US responded at all was internall politics. Geopolitically, we already assume that anything with line-of-sight to the sky is observable, and that this is probably good for geopolitical stability.
jjoonathan 3y ago
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- ecshafer 3y ago
  Last I checked, Taiwan is not a territory or state of the United States. Why should some kid from Kansas pick up a rifle for Taiwan?
  - 3y ago