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Blood is sampled at birth in America, so we aren't too far away from being able to identify people who litter forever. Just takes one policy change... we are b

Blood is sampled at birth in America, so we aren't too far away from being able to identify people who litter forever. Just takes one policy change... we are building the cells of a possible future prison.

kaliqt 3y ago
That's... Incredibly scary.
searine 3y ago
You could say the same about fingerprints, facial recognition, or behavior patterns. People get really paranoid about DNA for some reason but then willingly give out other kinds of PIID without caring.
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  You can hide everything except DNA.
- rolph 3y ago
  PIID can be forged, and fraud dept. works with this. DNA can be forged as well, the installation needs tradecraft. DNA carries authority for now, but its easier to transfer a DNA smear than to lift and install a fingerprint.
sublinear 3y ago
Unless it's found in the middle of nowhere, and maybe not even then, how does one determine if a piece of trash is there by the deliberate act of littering? As well, lots of trash has several people's DNA with no one individual having the majority such as product packaging, and that's the most likely to be littered.
SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
Then why aren't they already doing that with CCTV and facial recognition?
- perihelions 3y ago
  We are? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/07/artificial-intelligence-cameras-litter-fines-motorways/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/07/artificial-intel... - "National Highways has revealed that it is set to launch a trial in the coming weeks which will see the high-tech cameras installed in road lay-bys which will scan the area for any instances of littering." - "Unlike traditional CCTV cameras where enforcement officers would have to trawl through hours of footage to find offenders, the new AI cameras will be able to pick out offences and automatically send them to an enforcement control room."
  - Animats 3y ago
    Here's the product ad for that, from Hikvision.[1] Hikvision's traffic violation management system detects speeding, wrong-way driving, cell phone use, failure to use seat belt... Hikvision is your full-line Big Brother technology provider. Surveillance for home, work, school, roads, parks, vehicles - Hikvision has a solution for a safer world, a world in which something is always watching. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U2LWuBFIR0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U2LWuBFIR0
    - 10u152 3y ago
      They’re also fully owned by the CCP and have bespoke algorithms for identifying and alerting the authorities to specific racial traits (Uyghurs) for future arrest, enslavement and genocide! Fun guys, Hikvision > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037
- EMCymatics 3y ago
  Facial recognition is probably a last resort given there are better signatures.
- acomjean 3y ago
  They kinda are. Recently some lawyers got banned from Madison Square Garden because MSG corporate bans lawyers involved in cases against them from their venues. They found a lawyers image somewhere and fed it into the "banned from this establishment" facial recognition group . Nobody really knew about this till the lawyer showed up to a show there with a girl scout troop going to a Christmas Show and was denied entrance. If they can do it to a lawyer.. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34104400 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34104400 Of course the lawyers are suing, but its kinda over the top and the show was missed.
jonhohle 3y ago
There are already companies partnering with OBGYNs to have cord blood banked at birth (for later stem cell treatments). I'm sure millions of 10 and unders already have their biological matter held by private companies.
activiation 3y ago
At a fall festival here in FL, the sheriff's office wanted to DNA test children to "help in the event of a kidnaping"
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kaliqt 3y ago

That's... Incredibly scary.

searine 3y ago

You could say the same about fingerprints, facial recognition, or behavior patterns. People get really paranoid about DNA for some reason but then willingly give out other kinds of PIID without caring.

mensetmanusman 3y ago
You can hide everything except DNA.
rolph 3y ago
PIID can be forged, and fraud dept. works with this. DNA can be forged as well, the installation needs tradecraft. DNA carries authority for now, but its easier to transfer a DNA smear than to lift and install a fingerprint.

sublinear 3y ago

Unless it's found in the middle of nowhere, and maybe not even then, how does one determine if a piece of trash is there by the deliberate act of littering? As well, lots of trash has several people's DNA with no one individual having the majority such as product packaging, and that's the most likely to be littered.

SketchySeaBeast 3y ago

Then why aren't they already doing that with CCTV and facial recognition?

perihelions 3y ago
We are? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/07/artificial-intelligence-cameras-litter-fines-motorways/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/07/artificial-intel... - "National Highways has revealed that it is set to launch a trial in the coming weeks which will see the high-tech cameras installed in road lay-bys which will scan the area for any instances of littering." - "Unlike traditional CCTV cameras where enforcement officers would have to trawl through hours of footage to find offenders, the new AI cameras will be able to pick out offences and automatically send them to an enforcement control room."
- Animats 3y ago
  Here's the product ad for that, from Hikvision.[1] Hikvision's traffic violation management system detects speeding, wrong-way driving, cell phone use, failure to use seat belt... Hikvision is your full-line Big Brother technology provider. Surveillance for home, work, school, roads, parks, vehicles - Hikvision has a solution for a safer world, a world in which something is always watching. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U2LWuBFIR0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U2LWuBFIR0
  - 10u152 3y ago
    They’re also fully owned by the CCP and have bespoke algorithms for identifying and alerting the authorities to specific racial traits (Uyghurs) for future arrest, enslavement and genocide! Fun guys, Hikvision > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037
EMCymatics 3y ago
Facial recognition is probably a last resort given there are better signatures.
acomjean 3y ago
They kinda are. Recently some lawyers got banned from Madison Square Garden because MSG corporate bans lawyers involved in cases against them from their venues. They found a lawyers image somewhere and fed it into the "banned from this establishment" facial recognition group . Nobody really knew about this till the lawyer showed up to a show there with a girl scout troop going to a Christmas Show and was denied entrance. If they can do it to a lawyer.. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34104400 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34104400 Of course the lawyers are suing, but its kinda over the top and the show was missed.

jonhohle 3y ago

There are already companies partnering with OBGYNs to have cord blood banked at birth (for later stem cell treatments). I'm sure millions of 10 and unders already have their biological matter held by private companies.

activiation 3y ago

At a fall festival here in FL, the sheriff's office wanted to DNA test children to "help in the event of a kidnaping"

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