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You don't even need to be much of a conspiracy theorist nowadays to realize that mainstream media is controlled by a concentrated set of interests. Just look at

You don't even need to be much of a conspiracy theorist nowadays to realize that mainstream media is controlled by a concentrated set of interests. Just look at how coordinated the media was against "quiet quitting". And then against "work from home". And pushing many, many other anti worker narratives. No surprise, following the leaks Snowden was painted as a traitor that clearly only pandered to Russian interests.

mcv 3y ago
It's interesting to read this. My experience is completely different, but I'm Dutch and tend to read either Dutch or online media. And online media mostly in the tech sphere. Everybody is pretty positive about Snowden, and more objective about issues like "quiet quitting" and working from home. I think there's something really fundamentally wrong with US media. And not just with Fox News, but with all of them.
specialist 3y ago
Yes and: wrt journalism, corporate media cares more about access than holding power to account. Therefore corporate media ends up defending the status quo, by default or by design.
aio2 3y ago
I want to explain this from my perspective so you can maybe see why this is happening: I remember all the talk about quiet quitting and working home and all that, but because media has slowly shifted away from that, I seemed to think about it less. In fact, I completely forgot about quiet quitting until you just mentioned it, when I realized they have slowly blocked it out. Imagine that. It took me a while to realize that. And I still needed something to remind me of it. A lot of people aren't constantly reminded about it, which means they'll think more about whatever is currently in the media and keep falling for their trap.
DANmode 3y ago
> 10 years after Snowden's first leak, what have we learned? More pieces of the Zeitgeist, really.
DSingularity 3y ago
Of course it’s not a conspiracy. It’s all about the interests. Just compare coverage of Palestine and Israel. US interests lie with Israel — a US proxy ready to gladly down any nation that steps out of line using American. So Israelis are the angels and Palestinians are the devils. Who cares about the brutal occupation. Who cares about settler violence. Ignore all Israeli crimes to the point of white-washing. Meanwhile, all media outlets will rush to ensure that any Palestinian resistance against the violent occupation — whether it’s violent or peaceful — is covered as if it is terrorism or racism. US media is just Propaganda.
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- sixQuarks 3y ago
  The thing I don't get is that while you and others can clearly see the propaganda going on with US media, when it comes to Trump, people on the left all of a sudden go along with the propaganda and conspiracy theories such as Russiagate, or that Hunter Biden's laptop was a Russian conspiracy. People want to believe what they want to believe, I don't know if the propaganda is done to control people, or it's what the people actually want - to believe their government is a force for good, that we're the good guys, etc.
  - alfalfasprout 3y ago
    The propaganda exists across the entire political spectrum. Americans have been pushed to fight against each other so that they're too tired, angry, and distracted to focus their efforts on those in power.
    - lozf 3y ago
      Yup, it's "Divide and Conquer" all the way down. Not even just political, or mainstream media, but everywhere. - Endless distractions to keep us bickering with each other, instead of addressing the bigger issues.
  - mcv 3y ago
kornhole 3y ago
Julian Assange suffered a worse fate for doing much less and nothing illegal. The 'crime' of both was revealing information inconvenient to the powerful. The powerful had their MSM focus on the messenger rather than the message and smear them any way they could.

mcv 3y ago

It's interesting to read this. My experience is completely different, but I'm Dutch and tend to read either Dutch or online media. And online media mostly in the tech sphere. Everybody is pretty positive about Snowden, and more objective about issues like "quiet quitting" and working from home. I think there's something really fundamentally wrong with US media. And not just with Fox News, but with all of them.

specialist 3y ago

Yes and: wrt journalism, corporate media cares more about access than holding power to account. Therefore corporate media ends up defending the status quo, by default or by design.

aio2 3y ago

I want to explain this from my perspective so you can maybe see why this is happening: I remember all the talk about quiet quitting and working home and all that, but because media has slowly shifted away from that, I seemed to think about it less. In fact, I completely forgot about quiet quitting until you just mentioned it, when I realized they have slowly blocked it out. Imagine that. It took me a while to realize that. And I still needed something to remind me of it. A lot of people aren't constantly reminded about it, which means they'll think more about whatever is currently in the media and keep falling for their trap.

DANmode 3y ago

> 10 years after Snowden's first leak, what have we learned? More pieces of the Zeitgeist, really.

DSingularity 3y ago

Of course it’s not a conspiracy. It’s all about the interests. Just compare coverage of Palestine and Israel. US interests lie with Israel — a US proxy ready to gladly down any nation that steps out of line using American. So Israelis are the angels and Palestinians are the devils. Who cares about the brutal occupation. Who cares about settler violence. Ignore all Israeli crimes to the point of white-washing. Meanwhile, all media outlets will rush to ensure that any Palestinian resistance against the violent occupation — whether it’s violent or peaceful — is covered as if it is terrorism or racism. US media is just Propaganda.

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sixQuarks 3y ago
The thing I don't get is that while you and others can clearly see the propaganda going on with US media, when it comes to Trump, people on the left all of a sudden go along with the propaganda and conspiracy theories such as Russiagate, or that Hunter Biden's laptop was a Russian conspiracy. People want to believe what they want to believe, I don't know if the propaganda is done to control people, or it's what the people actually want - to believe their government is a force for good, that we're the good guys, etc.
- alfalfasprout 3y ago
  The propaganda exists across the entire political spectrum. Americans have been pushed to fight against each other so that they're too tired, angry, and distracted to focus their efforts on those in power.
  - lozf 3y ago
    Yup, it's "Divide and Conquer" all the way down. Not even just political, or mainstream media, but everywhere. - Endless distractions to keep us bickering with each other, instead of addressing the bigger issues.
- mcv 3y ago

kornhole 3y ago

Julian Assange suffered a worse fate for doing much less and nothing illegal. The 'crime' of both was revealing information inconvenient to the powerful. The powerful had their MSM focus on the messenger rather than the message and smear them any way they could.