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It's a real bummer that computers should be strictly superior to non-digital technology for accessibility (a book is a book and doesn't change after it's printe

by benced 3y ago

It's a real bummer that computers should be strictly superior to non-digital technology for accessibility (a book is a book and doesn't change after it's printed) but for economic reasons, it won't be. I can't even super blame Reddit - they're just capitalists trying to make money. It just feels like an own-goal by humanity.

SilasX 3y ago
Yep. Every time someone suggests a special blind-friendly API, I remind them that HTML was that API, and it just got bastardized over time, so you need to figure out how you’d keep it from going through that same process with whatever new thing you propose. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30727672 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30727672 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20224961 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20224961
- pierat 3y ago
  As an example of how this has beeen completely perverted.... Here's a snippet of HTML from Facebook advert https://imgur.com/Wx8rIOm.png https://imgur.com/Wx8rIOm.png Just for "Hydrow <blue_checkmark> Sponsored" is the following HTML <div class="xb57i2i x1q594ok x5lxg6s x78zum5 xdt5ytf x6ikm8r x1ja2u2z x1pq812k x1rohswg xfk6m8 x1yqm8si xjx87ck x1l7klhg x1iyjqo2 xs83m0k x2lwn1j xx8ngbg xwo3gff x1oyok0e x1odjw0f x1e4zzel x1n2onr6 xq1qtft"><div class="x78zum5 xdt5ytf x1iyjqo2 x1n2onr6"><div class="xjm9jq1 xg01cxk x47corl x10l6tqk x1i1rx1s x13vifvy"></div><div class="x1xmf6yo"><div><div><div data-visualcompletion="ignore-dynamic" style="padding-left: 8px; padding-right: 8px;"> Also, attempting to highlight "sponsored" also jumps back and forth because their scripts basically jigsaw the letters together from bits. And, almost all of their content on pages look like this. My guess is to jam up adblockers. But it also screws over anybody with visual difficulties (reduction of visibility to blindness).
  - pixl97 3y ago
    Yea, randomized to avoid adblockers catching the div.
EamonnMR 3y ago
On the contrary, I think you can blame people who make antisocial choices. In fact, you have to.
- benced 3y ago
  I’d find this more compelling if you or I were running a Reddit competitor with pro-social choices.
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  hate the player not the game eh
  - kadoban 3y ago
    In what sense is this white knighting? If anything it's approximately the opposite.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    It's fine to hate both. The players allow the game to continue as it is, after all.

by benced 3y ago

SilasX 3y ago

Yep. Every time someone suggests a special blind-friendly API, I remind them that HTML was that API, and it just got bastardized over time, so you need to figure out how you’d keep it from going through that same process with whatever new thing you propose. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30727672 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30727672 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20224961 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20224961

pierat 3y ago
As an example of how this has beeen completely perverted.... Here's a snippet of HTML from Facebook advert https://imgur.com/Wx8rIOm.png https://imgur.com/Wx8rIOm.png Just for "Hydrow <blue_checkmark> Sponsored" is the following HTML <div class="xb57i2i x1q594ok x5lxg6s x78zum5 xdt5ytf x6ikm8r x1ja2u2z x1pq812k x1rohswg xfk6m8 x1yqm8si xjx87ck x1l7klhg x1iyjqo2 xs83m0k x2lwn1j xx8ngbg xwo3gff x1oyok0e x1odjw0f x1e4zzel x1n2onr6 xq1qtft"><div class="x78zum5 xdt5ytf x1iyjqo2 x1n2onr6"><div class="xjm9jq1 xg01cxk x47corl x10l6tqk x1i1rx1s x13vifvy"></div><div class="x1xmf6yo"><div><div><div data-visualcompletion="ignore-dynamic" style="padding-left: 8px; padding-right: 8px;"> Also, attempting to highlight "sponsored" also jumps back and forth because their scripts basically jigsaw the letters together from bits. And, almost all of their content on pages look like this. My guess is to jam up adblockers. But it also screws over anybody with visual difficulties (reduction of visibility to blindness).
- pixl97 3y ago
  Yea, randomized to avoid adblockers catching the div.

EamonnMR 3y ago

On the contrary, I think you can blame people who make antisocial choices. In fact, you have to.

benced 3y ago
I’d find this more compelling if you or I were running a Reddit competitor with pro-social choices.
wahnfrieden 3y ago
hate the player not the game eh
- kadoban 3y ago
  In what sense is this white knighting? If anything it's approximately the opposite.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  It's fine to hate both. The players allow the game to continue as it is, after all.