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Yes. This simply makes it legal for the Dutch government to hack their citizens. It doesn't matter what the intentions or purported rules are, if they are self-

Yes. This simply makes it legal for the Dutch government to hack their citizens. It doesn't matter what the intentions or purported rules are, if they are self-regulating then there are no limits. The publicly stated intentions and rules only give some naive people peace of mind.

belter 3y ago
Coming from the State that did not yet resolved one of the worst scandals ever...And from the Prime Minister that deleted official government data for years... "Dutch scandal serves as a warning for Europe over risks of using algorithms" - https://www.politico.eu/article/dutch-scandal-serves-as-a-warning-for-europe-over-risks-of-using-algorithms/ https://www.politico.eu/article/dutch-scandal-serves-as-a-wa... "Dutch PM has been deleting text messages daily for years: report" - https://nltimes.nl/2022/05/18/dutch-pm-deleting-text-messages-daily-years-report https://nltimes.nl/2022/05/18/dutch-pm-deleting-text-message...
- bboygravity 3y ago
  Don't overreact, they just kidnapped a few thousand kids from their families and placed them with foster parents due to some bureaucratic hick-ups. No biggy. /s
  - dotancohen 3y ago
    > kidnapped a few thousand kids from their families What is this?
    - FpUser 3y ago
      A sarcasm if you take into account "no biggy" part
    - axus 3y ago
      https://nltimes.nl/2022/05/11/1675-children-removed-parents-custody-benefits-scandal https://nltimes.nl/2022/05/11/1675-children-removed-parents-...
  - belter 3y ago
    That is not even the worst...The government resigned because of the scandal. The article below is a "sad face" of the prime minister at the time. I leave it as exercise for the curious reader a comparison with the current prime minister... "Dutch government resigns over child benefits scandal" - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/15/dutch-government-resigns-over-child-benefits-scandal https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/15/dutch-governme...
    - redeeman 3y ago
      its funny how when its "government" that does atrocities in the name of "government" and "democracy", its simply a "scandal", but if you or I stormed in and kidnapped the children of members of parliament, it would be a "viscious attack on democracy". I wonder, at what point does a government become and enemy of the people, and defending oneself is legitimate? is it when the storm troopers comes to take your children based on false premises? if no, what is is then? im sure a "scandalized government" will say that its "never", but really, when as criminals ever agreed that going against them is okay?
    - Freestyler_3 3y ago
      And the same government is in place they just switched some roles around. The PM is still the same.
- FpUser 3y ago
  And those fuckers are not in prison? And then they talk about "our democracy" and teaching other countries how to "respect human rights".
  - kleiba 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_immunity
    - FpUser 3y ago
      I get it. But I think there should be some limits. Otherwise they can do just about anything and walk away. Taking away children on a basis of pure speculation I think is plain and clear crime from which they should not be absolved.
      - kleiba 3y ago
        True, and that has happened, of course. But luckily, immunity can also be revoked.

belter 3y ago

Coming from the State that did not yet resolved one of the worst scandals ever...And from the Prime Minister that deleted official government data for years... "Dutch scandal serves as a warning for Europe over risks of using algorithms" - https://www.politico.eu/article/dutch-scandal-serves-as-a-warning-for-europe-over-risks-of-using-algorithms/ https://www.politico.eu/article/dutch-scandal-serves-as-a-wa... "Dutch PM has been deleting text messages daily for years: report" - https://nltimes.nl/2022/05/18/dutch-pm-deleting-text-messages-daily-years-report https://nltimes.nl/2022/05/18/dutch-pm-deleting-text-message...

bboygravity 3y ago
Don't overreact, they just kidnapped a few thousand kids from their families and placed them with foster parents due to some bureaucratic hick-ups. No biggy. /s
- dotancohen 3y ago
  > kidnapped a few thousand kids from their families What is this?
  - FpUser 3y ago
    A sarcasm if you take into account "no biggy" part
  - axus 3y ago
    https://nltimes.nl/2022/05/11/1675-children-removed-parents-custody-benefits-scandal https://nltimes.nl/2022/05/11/1675-children-removed-parents-...
- belter 3y ago
  That is not even the worst...The government resigned because of the scandal. The article below is a "sad face" of the prime minister at the time. I leave it as exercise for the curious reader a comparison with the current prime minister... "Dutch government resigns over child benefits scandal" - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/15/dutch-government-resigns-over-child-benefits-scandal https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/15/dutch-governme...
  - redeeman 3y ago
    its funny how when its "government" that does atrocities in the name of "government" and "democracy", its simply a "scandal", but if you or I stormed in and kidnapped the children of members of parliament, it would be a "viscious attack on democracy". I wonder, at what point does a government become and enemy of the people, and defending oneself is legitimate? is it when the storm troopers comes to take your children based on false premises? if no, what is is then? im sure a "scandalized government" will say that its "never", but really, when as criminals ever agreed that going against them is okay?
  - Freestyler_3 3y ago
    And the same government is in place they just switched some roles around. The PM is still the same.
FpUser 3y ago
And those fuckers are not in prison? And then they talk about "our democracy" and teaching other countries how to "respect human rights".
- kleiba 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_immunity
  - FpUser 3y ago
    I get it. But I think there should be some limits. Otherwise they can do just about anything and walk away. Taking away children on a basis of pure speculation I think is plain and clear crime from which they should not be absolved.
    - kleiba 3y ago
      True, and that has happened, of course. But luckily, immunity can also be revoked.