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Canada will reach 40M population by the end of this year

48 points by dgudkov 3y ago

MH15 3y ago
The California of the north.
- pfannkuchen 3y ago
  Insufficient Mexican food.
- eitally 3y ago
  The reality is that all sufficiently large land area countries are facing similar issues. It's the same in China, in Brazil, in Australia, etc. Technology has accelerated the economic gravity of large metros, at a pace not seen since the industrial revolution, and the profit margins associated with providing digital services are so out of whack compared to almost all physical services, this has dramatically expanded the economic disparity between rural & urban. People gravitate toward cities because edu/$/oppy, but can't afford to live there comfortably until they're established in a career that would allow it ... and not all careers are on that kind of pay scale, so service workers get pushed into suburbs, then exurbs, then satellite cities. We haven't gotten beyond that stage yet, but suffice to say everyone is recognizing that it's unsustainable to allow cities to be comfortable only for the wealthy.
  - screye 3y ago
    > It's the same in China, in Brazil, in Australia This is conflating a real problem with an artificial problem. Sprawling Anglo-phone cities (NA, Australia, NZ, etc) have very different problems from truly dense cities in places like China, Brazil or even NYC, the one exception. Sao Paolo and Shanghai have people packed like sardines. On the other hand, all 3 of SF, Vancouver and LA collapse into sprawl the second you leave the city core. This sounds like a guy who worries about suddenly becoming too jacked on their first day at the gym.
mparnisari 3y ago
Great, and it has all the housing to support it! Right? ... Right?!
- Karsteski 3y ago
  I suspect all the people voting for restrict housing are going to be surprised when young/poor people eventually revolt :)
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    They won't revolt. It's a sad reality but Canada is an endless web of special interests.
    - grecy 3y ago
      They won't need to revolt, they'll just stop participating in the rigged game which will bring the game to it's knees.
      - jacquesm 3y ago
        I highly doubt it. I've had a lot of exposure to Canada's up and coming generation and unless it interferes with their internet connection I really don't think they will do much of anything. Participation is for immigrants, who have nothing to lose and everything to gain and they too won't be acting against the vested interests. This is a very frustrating aspect of Canada and it took me a long time to get to terms with it, such potential and so little to show for it. It's quite frustrating.
      - red-iron-pine 3y ago
        How? You can't stop eating, and Canada is too cold to homestead in large numbers. Homeless shelter options are not good. They can't get on a bus to the US for more than 6 months at a stretch, and gun ownership is heavily curtailed. Until Ottawa makes some systemic changes -- and that sure as hell ain't gonna happen -- you're gonna participate, or freeze. They will then import a bunch of Temporary Foreign Workers to replace you.
candiddevmike 3y ago
Wonder how the new normal of wildfires will impact that population, specifically the health infrastructure impacts.
- JimtheCoder 3y ago
  "Wonder how the new normal of wildfires will impact that population" Well, if all the forests burn this year, they can't burn again next year...right?
- swader999 3y ago
  In BC and Alberta they cut the rap attack (helicopter crews). Saved 20 million or so at the time...
WaitWaitWha 3y ago
I wondered what is the source of the population growth. This is what I found. > Temporary immigration is the leading contributor to Canada's growth > The estimated gains in non-permanent residents recorded for 2022 are the highest for a single calendar year for which comparable data are available. Furthermore, it is the first time these gains are superior to those from immigrants over the same period. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/230322/dq230322f-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/230322/dq230...
steve_adams_86 3y ago
A nearby municipality's mayor is requesting a 6 month pause on development. We're so out of sync and lacking a sense of urgency on this matter, I fully expect the province of BC to make sweeping changes to regulation that will be a serious shock to everyone. If we don't keep up with demand and dramatically change our perspective and priorities, the social impacts will be dire. I think we've been too comfortable for too long to see it, but... We're on the precipice of a real crisis. The societal impacts of not having housing while people are losing social mobility are very, very severe and likely unprecedented in the lifetimes of most British Columbians. I really hope we can get it together. The mayor asking for a pause on development is concerned (rightfully) about ensuring infrastructure meets housing demands. While I fully appreciate the need for that to happen, it seems to me that 1) we should have been addressing that a decade ago, and 2) his job is to address that now in a manner that doesn't neglect to address the more pressing issue that we don't have enough housing. We need to clean up as we go; we don't have the luxury of planning. We lost that convenience a long, long time ago, and we have to do this "scared" as they say. I don't mean to sound like a doomer here, but I have the distinct sense that many Canadians (likely especially true among those who aren't facing lack of food, housing, or income) are dangerously unaware of the hill we're currently sliding down. We're still near the top, but there's a long way to slide down and it's very slippery. We don't have our hiking boots on, and it's going to be a struggle to scramble back up. In order to get there, we're going to need to just do something. No 6 month pauses. No perfect community planning. Pardon my Canadian here, but we really fucked the dog on this one.
- earleybird 3y ago
  In IT, when ever I hear the phrase "we don't have the luxury of planning" I know with a high probability that the project will fail.
- soperj 3y ago
  > A nearby municipality's mayor is requesting a 6 month pause on development. View Royal mayor was going to do that regardless, if you look at his track record this is what he stands for. Provincial Govt will hopefully make an example out of them. They already had an updated community plan which he purposely kiboshed so that he could institute this pause.
tietjens 3y ago
This is great. Would love to see one for Germany. There has been much recent talk in German media about Canada’s comparative success in attracting immigrants, but major barriers remain. Real time data on the numbers (any numbers) isn’t imaginable here.
- HaroldBolt78 3y ago
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  - local_crmdgeon 3y ago
    Would love to know why you're asking. Assuming you're a fan of rebuilding what was lost in the Shoah? Or is this just Great Replacement mongering.
    - HaroldBolt78 3y ago
      [flagged]
motohagiography 3y ago
As a country we're still fewer than the population of a lot of global cites, but unfortunately for the environment, to survive we also need heat 10 months a year and air conditioning for the other 3, the distances between our major cities are further than most world capitals from one another, and our labour costs are relatively astronomical to everywhere else on earth. We have no new nuclear projects underway for energy needs, which will be interesting. Our country still runs mainly on resource wealth, making democracy pretty much unnecessary for a government to fund itself so long as it can use those resources to pay to secure it. The resource wealth means the government will spend most of its time managing economic Dutch Disease problems that will undermine actual organic economic growth. I get that the strategy is to make it a technologically enabled new-world planned society and economy using stakeholder capitalism, (where the stakeholders appear to be represented mainly by the WEF, but whatever), and you essentially need to make sure people with obsolete values and ensconced interests don't stand in the way of it to be able to implement that - but I think this rapid population rise is a harbinger for harder times in the near term. In the long term we're all dead, so it's hard to be enthusiastic about it.
- robotshmobot 3y ago
  > to survive we also need heat 10 months a year and air conditioning for the other 3 For the uninitiated, there are 13 months in Canada
ChumpGPT 3y ago
I think most Canadians will agree that the country is fucked. It just can't grow fast enough with the right kind of immigration. It currently doesn't have the kind of infra to support the amount of people it needs. Everything is out of wack and will only get worse. I was discussing the scenario where it could merge with the US but realized very quickly that that scenario would probably be to much of a burden financially for the US to absorb. The country is just to big and to old (population). They just waited to long to grow and now it's too late. Perhaps climate change and global warming will be able to flood it with millions but that is not a good scenario either. So like I said, it's fucked and nothing will really save it long term (100 years or so).
Eddy_Viscosity2 3y ago
But only has housing and health services for 30M.
moltar 3y ago
The infra won't scale with the users. Already bursting at the seams.

48 points by dgudkov 3y ago

MH15 3y ago

The California of the north.

pfannkuchen 3y ago
Insufficient Mexican food.
eitally 3y ago
The reality is that all sufficiently large land area countries are facing similar issues. It's the same in China, in Brazil, in Australia, etc. Technology has accelerated the economic gravity of large metros, at a pace not seen since the industrial revolution, and the profit margins associated with providing digital services are so out of whack compared to almost all physical services, this has dramatically expanded the economic disparity between rural & urban. People gravitate toward cities because edu/$/oppy, but can't afford to live there comfortably until they're established in a career that would allow it ... and not all careers are on that kind of pay scale, so service workers get pushed into suburbs, then exurbs, then satellite cities. We haven't gotten beyond that stage yet, but suffice to say everyone is recognizing that it's unsustainable to allow cities to be comfortable only for the wealthy.
- screye 3y ago
  > It's the same in China, in Brazil, in Australia This is conflating a real problem with an artificial problem. Sprawling Anglo-phone cities (NA, Australia, NZ, etc) have very different problems from truly dense cities in places like China, Brazil or even NYC, the one exception. Sao Paolo and Shanghai have people packed like sardines. On the other hand, all 3 of SF, Vancouver and LA collapse into sprawl the second you leave the city core. This sounds like a guy who worries about suddenly becoming too jacked on their first day at the gym.

mparnisari 3y ago

Great, and it has all the housing to support it! Right? ... Right?!

Karsteski 3y ago
I suspect all the people voting for restrict housing are going to be surprised when young/poor people eventually revolt :)
- jacquesm 3y ago
  They won't revolt. It's a sad reality but Canada is an endless web of special interests.
  - grecy 3y ago
    They won't need to revolt, they'll just stop participating in the rigged game which will bring the game to it's knees.
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      I highly doubt it. I've had a lot of exposure to Canada's up and coming generation and unless it interferes with their internet connection I really don't think they will do much of anything. Participation is for immigrants, who have nothing to lose and everything to gain and they too won't be acting against the vested interests. This is a very frustrating aspect of Canada and it took me a long time to get to terms with it, such potential and so little to show for it. It's quite frustrating.
    - red-iron-pine 3y ago
      How? You can't stop eating, and Canada is too cold to homestead in large numbers. Homeless shelter options are not good. They can't get on a bus to the US for more than 6 months at a stretch, and gun ownership is heavily curtailed. Until Ottawa makes some systemic changes -- and that sure as hell ain't gonna happen -- you're gonna participate, or freeze. They will then import a bunch of Temporary Foreign Workers to replace you.

candiddevmike 3y ago

Wonder how the new normal of wildfires will impact that population, specifically the health infrastructure impacts.

JimtheCoder 3y ago
"Wonder how the new normal of wildfires will impact that population" Well, if all the forests burn this year, they can't burn again next year...right?
swader999 3y ago
In BC and Alberta they cut the rap attack (helicopter crews). Saved 20 million or so at the time...

WaitWaitWha 3y ago

I wondered what is the source of the population growth. This is what I found. > Temporary immigration is the leading contributor to Canada's growth > The estimated gains in non-permanent residents recorded for 2022 are the highest for a single calendar year for which comparable data are available. Furthermore, it is the first time these gains are superior to those from immigrants over the same period. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/230322/dq230322f-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/230322/dq230...

steve_adams_86 3y ago

A nearby municipality's mayor is requesting a 6 month pause on development. We're so out of sync and lacking a sense of urgency on this matter, I fully expect the province of BC to make sweeping changes to regulation that will be a serious shock to everyone. If we don't keep up with demand and dramatically change our perspective and priorities, the social impacts will be dire. I think we've been too comfortable for too long to see it, but... We're on the precipice of a real crisis. The societal impacts of not having housing while people are losing social mobility are very, very severe and likely unprecedented in the lifetimes of most British Columbians. I really hope we can get it together. The mayor asking for a pause on development is concerned (rightfully) about ensuring infrastructure meets housing demands. While I fully appreciate the need for that to happen, it seems to me that 1) we should have been addressing that a decade ago, and 2) his job is to address that now in a manner that doesn't neglect to address the more pressing issue that we don't have enough housing. We need to clean up as we go; we don't have the luxury of planning. We lost that convenience a long, long time ago, and we have to do this "scared" as they say. I don't mean to sound like a doomer here, but I have the distinct sense that many Canadians (likely especially true among those who aren't facing lack of food, housing, or income) are dangerously unaware of the hill we're currently sliding down. We're still near the top, but there's a long way to slide down and it's very slippery. We don't have our hiking boots on, and it's going to be a struggle to scramble back up. In order to get there, we're going to need to just do something. No 6 month pauses. No perfect community planning. Pardon my Canadian here, but we really fucked the dog on this one.

earleybird 3y ago
In IT, when ever I hear the phrase "we don't have the luxury of planning" I know with a high probability that the project will fail.
soperj 3y ago
> A nearby municipality's mayor is requesting a 6 month pause on development. View Royal mayor was going to do that regardless, if you look at his track record this is what he stands for. Provincial Govt will hopefully make an example out of them. They already had an updated community plan which he purposely kiboshed so that he could institute this pause.

tietjens 3y ago

This is great. Would love to see one for Germany. There has been much recent talk in German media about Canada’s comparative success in attracting immigrants, but major barriers remain. Real time data on the numbers (any numbers) isn’t imaginable here.

HaroldBolt78 3y ago
[flagged]
- local_crmdgeon 3y ago
  Would love to know why you're asking. Assuming you're a fan of rebuilding what was lost in the Shoah? Or is this just Great Replacement mongering.
  - HaroldBolt78 3y ago
    [flagged]

motohagiography 3y ago

As a country we're still fewer than the population of a lot of global cites, but unfortunately for the environment, to survive we also need heat 10 months a year and air conditioning for the other 3, the distances between our major cities are further than most world capitals from one another, and our labour costs are relatively astronomical to everywhere else on earth. We have no new nuclear projects underway for energy needs, which will be interesting. Our country still runs mainly on resource wealth, making democracy pretty much unnecessary for a government to fund itself so long as it can use those resources to pay to secure it. The resource wealth means the government will spend most of its time managing economic Dutch Disease problems that will undermine actual organic economic growth. I get that the strategy is to make it a technologically enabled new-world planned society and economy using stakeholder capitalism, (where the stakeholders appear to be represented mainly by the WEF, but whatever), and you essentially need to make sure people with obsolete values and ensconced interests don't stand in the way of it to be able to implement that - but I think this rapid population rise is a harbinger for harder times in the near term. In the long term we're all dead, so it's hard to be enthusiastic about it.

robotshmobot 3y ago
> to survive we also need heat 10 months a year and air conditioning for the other 3 For the uninitiated, there are 13 months in Canada

ChumpGPT 3y ago

I think most Canadians will agree that the country is fucked. It just can't grow fast enough with the right kind of immigration. It currently doesn't have the kind of infra to support the amount of people it needs. Everything is out of wack and will only get worse. I was discussing the scenario where it could merge with the US but realized very quickly that that scenario would probably be to much of a burden financially for the US to absorb. The country is just to big and to old (population). They just waited to long to grow and now it's too late. Perhaps climate change and global warming will be able to flood it with millions but that is not a good scenario either. So like I said, it's fucked and nothing will really save it long term (100 years or so).

Eddy_Viscosity2 3y ago

But only has housing and health services for 30M.

moltar 3y ago

The infra won't scale with the users. Already bursting at the seams.