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>Twitter had an apparent and now resolved regression allowing CSAM to be posted to public profiles [...] Props to @elonmusk for making this one of their priori

>Twitter had an apparent and now resolved regression allowing CSAM to be posted to public profiles [...] Props to @elonmusk for making this one of their priorities when he let the sink in, and it was quickly resolved. An open question for the reader is "why was this ignored for almost a decade?".

jacquesm 3y ago
It wasn't and please don't believe a word Musk says unless you have some very hard evidence.
- moralestapia 3y ago
  ??? Timeline is: * Twitter DID have this problem. * Musk buys Twitter. * After a couple months, Twitter does not have this problem anymore. Who do you think was responsible for that? A. The old engineering team who was 90% gone on a (laughable) tantrum? B. Ella Irwin, Head of Trust and Safety who had been there for years and resigned after Musk came in? C. Yoel Roth, Head of Integrity and Safety who had been there for years and resigned after Musk came in? D. Elon Musk I'm no Musk fanboy but the answer is evident.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    Zero proof. If Twitter did have this problem to the degree you claim it should be trivial for you to prove this. I've been there for 15 years, never saw a single image that didn't pass muster and I've used it very intensively. So, unless you actively went and looked for it I am assuming you would not encounter it. But given the size of Twitter and the fact that any company that hosts images is going to be targeted you can assume that to the degree that it was going on before it is still going on today, only worse because Twitter has far less staff now to take care of these things. To portray the former Twitter staff as aiding and abetting whilst Elon rode in on his white horse and 'took care of things' is not in line with reality as I perceive it. And there is some proof that things have gotten worse, not better: https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/06/twitter-api/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/06/twitter-api/ (and many other articles besides).
    - moralestapia 3y ago
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      - ahahahahah 3y ago
        > Come on. TFA even says that, and it is a (what seems to be reputable) study coming from Stanford. No, it doesn't (and an author of it even pointed that out to you here). The CSAM filtering broke after musk's takeover (and since he fired the people who would've been responsible for it, nobody even detected that it had failed and it was only fixed some time after the report's authors notified twitter of the problem).
      - jacquesm 3y ago
        > TFA even says that It really doesn't. See upthread comment by one of the authors.
        moralestapia 3y ago
        Open the article. Ctrl-F. Paste "Twitter had an apparent and now resolved regression allowing CSAM to be posted to public profiles". Is it really not there? Did I forget to take my crazy pills today?
        jacquesm 3y ago
        > Twitter had an apparent and now resolved regression allowing CSAM to be posted to public profiles Yes, this was a failure after Musk took over Twitter. > Did I forget to take my crazy pills today? Possibly, I won't judge you on that account but you could do with reading that article maybe a bit slower and without preconceived ideas about what it contains and whether or not it supports your arguments, especially after you've been corrected on this multiple times.
- gadders 3y ago
  Why should we believe you over the company owner? What hard evidence do you have?
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    Because the company owner has a habit of lying when he breathes? And because as a very long time (16 years) fairly fanatical Twitter user I haven't come across a single problematic image. That doesn't mean that they weren't there, just that you had to go out of your way to locate them and that at least from my perspective the Twitter staff was doing a reasonably good job at policing this. Was it perfect? No, probably not, but at Twitters' scale it's all statistics.
    - kortilla 3y ago
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      - jacquesm 3y ago
        I'll be happy to do this because when Musk claims some kind of achievement with respect to morality there is a much better than even chance that he's lying based on past performance. Of course it would be nice to be able to cite a bunch of peer reviewed articles but both Musk and Trump should have lost the default levels of trust that people still seem to assign to them. They've been caught in blatant lies so often now that I really don't see why they should be given the benefit of the doubt, in fact it probably pays off to assume they're lying and take it from there, especially when it is about stuff that makes them look good for which they do not provide hard evidence.
      - imtringued 3y ago
        I don't know what fanatical hate you are talking about.
secalex 3y ago
This is an incorrect reading of our report. Twitter has scanned for CSAM using PhotoDNA for years, and is an early member of the Tech Coalition of companies working on this issue. What we discovered is that, since Musk's takeover, that Twitter's CSAM scanning failed and was not noticed by Twitter. They fixed it several weeks after we notified them, and then shut off our API access to prevent further research.
- 2-718-281-828 3y ago
  how long did the failure go unnoticed?
- moralestapia 3y ago
  >This is an incorrect reading of our report. Really?(!), how's that? It's a direct, verbatim quote from the (your?) blog post. But thanks for dropping by, could you clarify a few things? >[...] since Musk's takeover, that Twitter's CSAM scanning failed and was not noticed by Twitter. What you're saying is that: 1. It was working before Musk was there. 2. It stopped working after Musk took over. Please answer this in a non-subjective way. >They fixed it several weeks after we notified them And, in your opinion, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
  - ahahahahah 3y ago
    > And, in your opinion, is that a good thing or a bad thing? It's a bad thing that it stopped working. It's a very bad thing that they didn't detect that it had stopped working. It's a bad thing that it took weeks to fix it. It's a good thing (well, good at best, i'd call it "expected" or "the bare minimum") that they fixed it.
  - ahahahahah 3y ago
    > Really?(!), how's that? It's a direct, verbatim quote from the (your?) blog post. wow, now i think you're just trolling. The direct quote was this: >Twitter had an apparent and now resolved regression allowing CSAM to be posted to public profiles [...] You then went on to make several statements/claims, such as: 1. "@elonmusk for making this one of their priorities when he let the sink in" 2. "it was quickly resolved" 3. An open question for the reader is "why was this ignored for almost a decade?". Each one of those statements are incorrect readings of the report and none of them are justified by the quote you pulled from it. On (1): There's no evidence that elon musk made this a priority. Given that it broke after he bought twitter and that they didn't detect that it broke and that it took weeks to fix it when they were informed of it, I think the evidence points to the exact opposite (i.e. it's not a priority). On (2): weeks is not "quickly", and the "quickly" was your own thing, the report only says that it was resolved. On (3): as you've been informed, this wasn't broken for almost a decade, it was broken after musk acquired twitter.

jacquesm 3y ago

It wasn't and please don't believe a word Musk says unless you have some very hard evidence.

moralestapia 3y ago
??? Timeline is: * Twitter DID have this problem. * Musk buys Twitter. * After a couple months, Twitter does not have this problem anymore. Who do you think was responsible for that? A. The old engineering team who was 90% gone on a (laughable) tantrum? B. Ella Irwin, Head of Trust and Safety who had been there for years and resigned after Musk came in? C. Yoel Roth, Head of Integrity and Safety who had been there for years and resigned after Musk came in? D. Elon Musk I'm no Musk fanboy but the answer is evident.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  Zero proof. If Twitter did have this problem to the degree you claim it should be trivial for you to prove this. I've been there for 15 years, never saw a single image that didn't pass muster and I've used it very intensively. So, unless you actively went and looked for it I am assuming you would not encounter it. But given the size of Twitter and the fact that any company that hosts images is going to be targeted you can assume that to the degree that it was going on before it is still going on today, only worse because Twitter has far less staff now to take care of these things. To portray the former Twitter staff as aiding and abetting whilst Elon rode in on his white horse and 'took care of things' is not in line with reality as I perceive it. And there is some proof that things have gotten worse, not better: https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/06/twitter-api/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/06/twitter-api/ (and many other articles besides).
  - moralestapia 3y ago
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    - ahahahahah 3y ago
      > Come on. TFA even says that, and it is a (what seems to be reputable) study coming from Stanford. No, it doesn't (and an author of it even pointed that out to you here). The CSAM filtering broke after musk's takeover (and since he fired the people who would've been responsible for it, nobody even detected that it had failed and it was only fixed some time after the report's authors notified twitter of the problem).
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      > TFA even says that It really doesn't. See upthread comment by one of the authors.
      - moralestapia 3y ago
        Open the article. Ctrl-F. Paste "Twitter had an apparent and now resolved regression allowing CSAM to be posted to public profiles". Is it really not there? Did I forget to take my crazy pills today?
        jacquesm 3y ago
        > Twitter had an apparent and now resolved regression allowing CSAM to be posted to public profiles Yes, this was a failure after Musk took over Twitter. > Did I forget to take my crazy pills today? Possibly, I won't judge you on that account but you could do with reading that article maybe a bit slower and without preconceived ideas about what it contains and whether or not it supports your arguments, especially after you've been corrected on this multiple times.
gadders 3y ago
Why should we believe you over the company owner? What hard evidence do you have?
- jacquesm 3y ago
  Because the company owner has a habit of lying when he breathes? And because as a very long time (16 years) fairly fanatical Twitter user I haven't come across a single problematic image. That doesn't mean that they weren't there, just that you had to go out of your way to locate them and that at least from my perspective the Twitter staff was doing a reasonably good job at policing this. Was it perfect? No, probably not, but at Twitters' scale it's all statistics.
  - kortilla 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      I'll be happy to do this because when Musk claims some kind of achievement with respect to morality there is a much better than even chance that he's lying based on past performance. Of course it would be nice to be able to cite a bunch of peer reviewed articles but both Musk and Trump should have lost the default levels of trust that people still seem to assign to them. They've been caught in blatant lies so often now that I really don't see why they should be given the benefit of the doubt, in fact it probably pays off to assume they're lying and take it from there, especially when it is about stuff that makes them look good for which they do not provide hard evidence.
    - imtringued 3y ago
      I don't know what fanatical hate you are talking about.

secalex 3y ago

This is an incorrect reading of our report. Twitter has scanned for CSAM using PhotoDNA for years, and is an early member of the Tech Coalition of companies working on this issue. What we discovered is that, since Musk's takeover, that Twitter's CSAM scanning failed and was not noticed by Twitter. They fixed it several weeks after we notified them, and then shut off our API access to prevent further research.

2-718-281-828 3y ago
how long did the failure go unnoticed?
moralestapia 3y ago
>This is an incorrect reading of our report. Really?(!), how's that? It's a direct, verbatim quote from the (your?) blog post. But thanks for dropping by, could you clarify a few things? >[...] since Musk's takeover, that Twitter's CSAM scanning failed and was not noticed by Twitter. What you're saying is that: 1. It was working before Musk was there. 2. It stopped working after Musk took over. Please answer this in a non-subjective way. >They fixed it several weeks after we notified them And, in your opinion, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
- ahahahahah 3y ago
  > And, in your opinion, is that a good thing or a bad thing? It's a bad thing that it stopped working. It's a very bad thing that they didn't detect that it had stopped working. It's a bad thing that it took weeks to fix it. It's a good thing (well, good at best, i'd call it "expected" or "the bare minimum") that they fixed it.
- ahahahahah 3y ago
  > Really?(!), how's that? It's a direct, verbatim quote from the (your?) blog post. wow, now i think you're just trolling. The direct quote was this: >Twitter had an apparent and now resolved regression allowing CSAM to be posted to public profiles [...] You then went on to make several statements/claims, such as: 1. "@elonmusk for making this one of their priorities when he let the sink in" 2. "it was quickly resolved" 3. An open question for the reader is "why was this ignored for almost a decade?". Each one of those statements are incorrect readings of the report and none of them are justified by the quote you pulled from it. On (1): There's no evidence that elon musk made this a priority. Given that it broke after he bought twitter and that they didn't detect that it broke and that it took weeks to fix it when they were informed of it, I think the evidence points to the exact opposite (i.e. it's not a priority). On (2): weeks is not "quickly", and the "quickly" was your own thing, the report only says that it was resolved. On (3): as you've been informed, this wasn't broken for almost a decade, it was broken after musk acquired twitter.